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Selling stock to buy foreclosure

Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:14 pm
House 3 down from me is up for foreclosure auction at end of the month. I’m thinking of purchasing with $175k limit. It’s close and I could store my wife’s decorating business clutter in it. I may eventually rent it. I’m probably going to talk to neighbor directly about purchasing to avoid auction once I figure out what they likely owe.

I’ve got $100k cash. For the remainder, is it smarter to sell $68k in stocks I have (not in retirement accounts) or to tap into my HELOC? I’m up 82% all time on these stocks and 2.4% the past year so I will be paying some taxes if I sell. These are mostly oil and regional bank stocks.

Just wonder what others think. Am I dumb to sell the stocks to avoid current high interest rates? I’m also making 5% on the cash currently. I could probably pay off the HELOC in 6 months if I stopped some of my current automated savings.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 8:16 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85087 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:18 pm to
quote:

Just wonder what others think. Am I dumb to sell the stocks to avoid current high interest rates? I’m also making 5% on the cash currently. I could probably pay off the HELOC in 6 months if I stopped some of my current automated savings.


No opinion on the purchase itself, but you’ll likely pay a lot less interest on the HELOC than you’ll pay in taxes on the sale of that stock. From a cash flow standpoint, the HELOC likely has the lowest cost if you’re paying it off in 6 months.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 8:22 pm
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:19 pm to
Thanks. Much appreciated.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85087 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:28 pm to
Just run it against your 2022/2023 income. If you’re going to eat taxes on $30k in gains you’re looking at possibly 20% in taxes (15% fed and 4.25% state in LA assuming a 22% federal tax bracket). Thats almost certainly less interest than you’ll pay on a 6m HELOC.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2134 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:29 pm to
If you have enough invested assets borrowing against a Pledged Asset Line may be a better option than HELOC. I wouldn't sell stock and realize the tax hit until aftwe the winning bid goes through which might be too late unless you have other cash lined up to finalize sale. My county requires 5% deposit for auction (forfeited if you win but don't come through w full payment) and balance is due next day.

If you dont wind up renting or flipping the house it just sounds like an expensive alternative to renting a storage facility and potential maintenance liability. Hope you don't get squatters in a vacant home just used for storage.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:54 pm to
You’re right. I hate paying 10% for a HELOC but taxes are higher. Just have to pay it down quickly.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:03 pm to
I was already looking at buying old shop space for my wife’s business so this is a better alternative since it’s so close. It’s also the classic example of one of the worst homes in a great neighborhood so it’s a good investment. I’ve renovated before and could probably flip this into a $300k sale with little renovation if rates drop and the market returns to normal. The house next to it is $900k.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37140 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:32 pm to
Compare the interest cost to the tax cust of sale.

If you can really pay it off in 6 months you would be looking at likely less in interest costs compared to tax hit.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2134 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 8:45 am to
Probably more important than the the tax vs interest considerations, are you overweight these individual stock positions and what is their forward outlook. It may be time to trim those anyway. Also, you're going to eventually pay LTCG on them unless you anticipate holding until death, selling in a very low income year while in zero LTCG rate or donating shares. Unless the sale would trigger NIIT (additional 3.8% tax) or you plan to move to a state with lower tax on LTCG there may not be much advantage to putting of the LTCG bill.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:12 am to
Some of the bank stocks are up 30% so I was thinking of taking some profits. I think the regional bank sector could take a mini crash again if a few go down suddenly due to rate issues. I usually hold for 50-100% gains before selling. I could probably justify selling $20k for profit taking and HELOC the rest.

Thanks for helping me think this out fellas.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9818 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:22 am to
I've bought dozens of houses at foreclosure. The sales took place at 10-1030 and you had to have cash by 2 PM. No time to sell stocks to get proceeds.

I like your idea of talking to the neighbor about buying. This would help salvage their credit and give you time to set up financing or raise cash.

If they are willing to sell, you need to find out how many liens are attached to the property.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20497 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:46 pm to
What's the house usually go for OP I mean on the private market? Those homes that seem too good to be true rarely ever actually foreclose, something else happens as in a private buyer, they refinance, sell, etc.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/5/24 at 10:30 pm to
Zillow estimate is $239k but I think that's a little high. Its 1600 sq ft 3/2 and in relatively good shape (of course, I haven't seen the inside). A smaller 2/2 1200 sq ft that was renovated is listed for $217k a block over. A 3/2 few down from the foreclosure sold for $223k last year. It was 1900 sq ft and in similar condition. I'm only interested below $190k.

My realtor is the one who told me about it. She's an experienced flipper and is checking on title and liens for me. I could see other investors passing on it because it doesn't have great curb appeal but its perfect for what I want.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 10:34 pm
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1180 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:28 am to
No way to know his tax rates with the info he gave. But agree with your earlier rep!y. If he can pay loan back in short period as described, then would go that route.

A side benefit to this scenario is that he is keeping his stocks working for him while paying off the debt. It is too easy to sell investments and not keep the proceeds invested in something different.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4119 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:40 pm to
I’m not trying to get into your business or make a criticism here… but I’m confused on what the plan is: flip it, rent it or locate your wife’s business into it (or some combination of those?). I’m also a little confused about the post renovation valuation estimates. Where is the $300k valuation coming from on a 3/2 with 1600 sq. ft. if a 3/2 home with 1900 sq. ft. sold for $223k in a lower interest rate environment last year?

Like I said, I’m not trying to pick this apart. But one of my sidelines had been providing private money to house flippers and investors. Part of the initial exercise/meeting was what the end goal of the project was and how the projected valuations were arrived at.

No biggie. Just curious. Good luck with it either way you take it.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:07 pm to
Plan is definitely to get my wife’s shite out of taking over the house. There is decorating shite everywhere. If she stops doing her business then I could sell it.

My 1900 sq foot comp was for a similarly run down home on a worse lot (slopes into a valley near interstate). Also it was old wood while the one I’m looking at is brick. The $300k estimation of course assumes some renovation. I’m saying if I buy it right and renovate for a total investment under $250k then I’m confident I could sell for $300k. $190 a sq ft is typical for my neighborhood.

My contractor is very good and pretty cheap. He renovated my current home and another I just sold. I got him from the realtor I use for everything. She is an experienced flipper and buys at auctions regularly. She gave me this one as it’s next door to me and she prefers to flip outside of city limits as she thinks the code inspectors are ridiculous. She’ll handle the auction for me.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4119 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:23 pm to
OK, I see where you’re coming from now. Best of luck on the project.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:27 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 8:35 am
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12921 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 12:15 pm to
I’ve worked with her since 2017. She negotiated buying my current home for me as a foreclosure and sold my first home for me last year. She is great and helped me look at properties for over 2 years until I found a great deal on my current home. She always checks for clean title before a buy. She’s not your average realtor who doesn’t know shite. Like I said earlier, she won’t flip in city limits as she doesn’t want to deal with permits. I was GC on my current home and pulled my own permits and totally understand why she avoids this.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 2:03 pm
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