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Posted on 2/23/10 at 2:24 am
Posted by Alan Chavez
New York
Member since Feb 2010
11 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 2:24 am
I'm shopping for life insurance. Should I insist that my term life insurance policy be "convertible" to permanent at some point?
Posted by LSUPIMPRGB
BR
Member since Nov 2005
500 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 10:54 am to
yes...email me and I can answer any more questions

rick

safdek23@yahoo.com
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 7:17 pm to
No, permanent/whole life is garbage. It combines insurance with investments - bad idea.

The other guy that posted wants you to contact him because he makes tons of $$ from selling that crap. Ask how much he makes to sell a term versus a whole life. There lies your answer.
Posted by LSUgolf04
Member since Aug 2009
349 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 7:38 pm to
To calminvester: Why don't you anti-permanent guys just let it rest? You people are hellbent on spreading your theories. He didn't even ask if he should buy term or permanent.

If you don't want to buy whole life, then don't. But don't come here acting like there is a one "right" way to purchase life insurance. Let people look at both policies and decide for themselves. There are a lot of bad whole life and term policies. Lastly, don't complain when you still want life insurance when you are 60 and uninsurable. It happens a lot more than you think. Things don't go according to your perfect plan.

Regarding commissions, do you work for free at your job, assuming you have one? Does your broker work for free? No.


Alan, my advise is to find a REPUTABLE company and look at both types of policies and DECIDE FOR YOURSELF. To answer your original question, most reputable companies offer convertible term life policies. Good luck with your search. Ignore the BS that will follow this post.

Edit:

calminvestor:

After looking through your post history, you seem to be promoting a book and a website. You make it seem like insurance salesmen are only motivated to sell permanent because of the $$, yet, here you are on our LSU website, promoting your book and website. Who are you working for and selling for?
This post was edited on 2/23/10 at 7:47 pm
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 7:55 pm to
Apparently I'm not the only one giving good advice (me and all the other "anti-permanent guys"). As you can see, LSUgolf04 is not happy that I am warning you of the horrible investment that permanent life insurance offers. Obviously his income is dependent on this garbage. This has no impact on my advice.
By the way, I'm a Daily Money Manager and yes, I occasionally do work "for free". I teach budgeting and investing for free at my local libraries as a way to give back.
I'm debt free, happily married for 12 years with 3 happy kids to show for it.
What, besides crap whole life, LSUgolf04, do you have to offer? You're good at sales, maybe, but bad with solid financial advice.
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
2713 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:11 pm to
Whole Life is not bad. Term is not bad.

The biggest thing is where you are in life. If you are 20 and looking to get started, you may want/need one thing.

If you are 40, married with kids, your needs/wants may be different.

If anyone tells you that one is better than the other regardless of the situation, I would hesitate to EVER believe anything they say.
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:21 pm to
SacredSalami,
It's not a good vs. evil thing. It's which is a better financial decision.

Intelligence points most individuals to term life insurance for this reason:

Term policy - 35yr old = $33/mo
Whole policy - 35 yr old = $70,80,90,...150/mo

Why not pay $33 for term and invest the rest in a real investment like a Roth IRA that has real advantages? Index funds with Vanguard would be a good start with the extra $ you're not using on that crap whole life. Please read "The Smartest Investment Book You'll Ever Read" by Daniel R. Solin. I promise you won't be disappointed.
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
2713 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

Life Insurance
SacredSalami,
It's not a good vs. evil thing. It's which is a better financial decision.

Intelligence points most individuals to term life insurance for this reason:

Term policy - 35yr old = $33/mo
Whole policy - 35 yr old = $70,80,90,...150/mo

Why not pay $33 for term and invest the rest in a real investment like a Roth IRA that has real advantages? Index funds with Vanguard would be a good start with the extra $ you're not using on that crap whole life. Please read "The Smartest Investment Book You'll Ever Read" by Daniel R. Solin. I promise you won't be disappointed.



Here is my problem with this.....

Most people will never invest the "other" money. Those investments, if made, have not always paid off either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your theory. However, as one poster pointed out, Term does run out and depending on your Health, you may have a hard time getting affordable Life Insurance at a later time.

I'm just saying that Whole Life is not always a bad financial decision.
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:38 pm to
Yes, whole life is always a bad financial decision. It's costly and it's track record really sucks. Sorry if this seems simple, but it really is.
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
2713 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 8:59 pm to
Let's agree to disagree cause my whole life policy has done really well.
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:05 pm to
It's done well maybe on the short term. Not long term. That's the issue at hand. Where is your money better for the long term. Opportunity cost is a consideration here, for sure.
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
2713 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:09 pm to
I've had the policy for 18 years. My premium is low and the cash value is very high.
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:11 pm to
Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still. I tried.
Posted by Survivor 2010
Member since Dec 2007
2713 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:14 pm to
Not sure I followed that last statement. If you are trying to say someone forced me,

I do like the fact I have a high cash value and that continued to accumulate through the past few years of economic downturn. I also like the fact my premium will never go up....well, unless I live to be 109.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17295 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:22 pm to
I agree no statement can be made across the board some good things about whole life

1) additional paid up insurace...a good place to park extra money (safe from liens, judgements, etc)

2) life ins proceeds go direct to beneficery unlike assets such as investments that go through the estate

3) ever try to borrow money against your term policy?

I feel you should have some of both, much more of term.
Posted by LSUgolf04
Member since Aug 2009
349 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

It's done well maybe on the short term. Not long term. That's the issue at hand. Where is your money better for the long term. Opportunity cost is a consideration here, for sure.


Most whole life policies preform better in the long run. How much do you really know about what you are talking about?

quote:

ndex funds with Vanguard would be a good start with the extra $ you're not using on that crap whole life.Please read "The Smartest Investment Book You'll Ever Read" by Daniel R. Solin. I promise you won't be disappointed.


There you go again dropping another plug for your stupid book. You seem to be tossing out Vanguard a lot. Maybe you work for them? Seriously, you are the most biased person in this entire thread. Do us all a favor and leave our board and advertise somewhere else.
This post was edited on 2/23/10 at 9:32 pm
Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:36 pm to
tigerpaw123,

1)liens, judgements,etc - why would you have these? on a budget with the proper insurances in place, like a good umbrella policy, why would this be a factor?
2)are you talking taxes? you need a better estate plan.
3)why do you think you need to borrow money at all? you should really read up on why you have insurance. would you ever need to borrow against your vehicle insurance policy? homeowner's policy? general liability policy? what is insurance for anyway? it's unnecessary if you've got a gazillion bucks in the bank, right? it's a form of financial security - not an alternative means of getting a loan. that's what your emergency fund is for.
Posted by LSUPIMPRGB
BR
Member since Nov 2005
500 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:37 pm to
Calminvestor...As for your assumption that I make tons of money off that crap... If you want to know how much I make from selling term or whole life then just ask me. I'll tell you what I make and what my boss makes.

I only told the guy to have the option to convert...I didnt tell him to convert.

...I dont talk shite without knowing what Im talking about. There lies my answer.



Posted by calminvestor
USA
Member since Dec 2009
31 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:40 pm to
what's the spread then on your commission on whole vs. term? please educate all of us.
Posted by LSUPIMPRGB
BR
Member since Nov 2005
500 posts
Posted on 2/23/10 at 9:47 pm to
I get the same no matter what I sell...

What you and most people refuse to accept is that some people sell things to people because they care, not just for the money.

FYI...If I sell a life policy for 1200 in annual premium, I get 200 in commission. One commission for the life of the policy. Thats it.

Any more questions? I'm an open book.

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