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Deferred Revenue - Accounting Question
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:49 am
Any one on here have any experience with deferred revenue on product sales?
For example, I am trying to journalize deferred revenue on a sale pre-paid by one of our customers. The customer paid for a certain amount of fuel up front but won't take the fuel right away. It may take them a year or so to use up all this fuel. We basically locked them into a price. For the month, we did not have enough inventory to cover this pre-paid sale and we use FIFO inventory. How do you set up the COGS side of this entry? I know the deferred revenue will look like this:
(CR) Deferred revenue $6,000,000
(DR) Product revenue $6,000,000
Trying to find examples of this online but having trouble finding any.
For example, I am trying to journalize deferred revenue on a sale pre-paid by one of our customers. The customer paid for a certain amount of fuel up front but won't take the fuel right away. It may take them a year or so to use up all this fuel. We basically locked them into a price. For the month, we did not have enough inventory to cover this pre-paid sale and we use FIFO inventory. How do you set up the COGS side of this entry? I know the deferred revenue will look like this:
(CR) Deferred revenue $6,000,000
(DR) Product revenue $6,000,000
Trying to find examples of this online but having trouble finding any.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:52 am to JasonL79
wouldn't you just hit unearned rev when they paid for it then pull it out of there to rev as they take it?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:00 am to yellowfin
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wouldn't you just hit unearned rev when they paid for it then pull it out of there to rev as they take it?
That is what I'm thinking. This example above is for one of our Joint Ventures.
On our side, if we receive a prepayment of say $3,000,000.00, we apply it to AR which leaves a negative receivable balance on the system. Then as they take it, we then record the revenue and COGS. Just not sure if we are doing it right on our side.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:04 am to JasonL79
Shouldn't you have a debit to cash if you were paid?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:13 am to Poodlebrain
Well there the first part of the entry would be:
DR cash $6,000,000
CR revenue $6,000,000
DR cogs $5,750,000 (or whatever the system recognizes cogs as)
CR iventory $5,750,000
Since the sale isn't earned/realized I have to move it to unearned revenue with a JE.
DR cash $6,000,000
CR revenue $6,000,000
DR cogs $5,750,000 (or whatever the system recognizes cogs as)
CR iventory $5,750,000
Since the sale isn't earned/realized I have to move it to unearned revenue with a JE.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:17 am to Poodlebrain
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Shouldn't you have a debit to cash if you were paid?
Not sure what example you are talking about but the way we are applying it on our side like this:
DR cash $3,000,000
CR AR $3,000,000
Then as the customer pays we apply the individual invoices to the AR and record the revenue/COGS. By the way it may take 20+ invoices for the customer to use up their prepay.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:38 am to JasonL79
DR Cash
CR Unearned Revenue
You haven't delivered any product, so under accrual rules you haven't completed the sale in order to recognize any revenue.
DR Inventory
CR Cash
Entry to record acquisition of inventory for delivery to customer.
DR COGS
DR Unearned Revenue
CR Inventory
CR Sales Revenue
Entry to record delivery of fuel to customer and complete sale.
CR Unearned Revenue
You haven't delivered any product, so under accrual rules you haven't completed the sale in order to recognize any revenue.
DR Inventory
CR Cash
Entry to record acquisition of inventory for delivery to customer.
DR COGS
DR Unearned Revenue
CR Inventory
CR Sales Revenue
Entry to record delivery of fuel to customer and complete sale.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:58 am to JasonL79
you shouldn't hit revenue when you receive the cash
Posted on 2/21/14 at 9:09 am to Poodlebrain
quote:
DR Cash
CR Unearned Revenue
You haven't delivered any product, so under accrual rules you haven't completed the sale in order to recognize any revenue.
DR Inventory
CR Cash
Entry to record acquisition of inventory for delivery to customer.
DR COGS
DR Unearned Revenue
CR Inventory
CR Sales Revenue
Entry to record delivery of fuel to customer and complete sale.
This is what I just came up with. Now getting our AR department to do this correctly will be a challenge. All these invoices are keyed into the system and coded out by the AR department. Think thousands of invoices a month done and not many (less than 5%) done this way.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 9:10 am to yellowfin
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you shouldn't hit revenue when you receive the cash
Oh I understand that. But one of our joint ventures who originally did this obviously doesn't. They recorded the sales revenue. Now I'm trying to remotely log onto their system and figure out what is the best way to fix it.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 9:21 am to JasonL79
If you make adjusting entries you will have to explain them to your auditor and waste time. You will probably save time to just reverse the entries already recorded and set it up properly.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:47 pm to JasonL79
quote:
(CR) Deferred revenue $6,000,000
(DR) Product revenue $6,000,000
How come revenue is being debited here?
Edit: nevermind just saw this was a later entry
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:55 pm to Poodlebrain
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If you make adjusting entries you will have to explain them to your auditor and waste time.
While true, companies that aren't already set up to handle this sort of thing routinely aren't big enough to get audited.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:16 pm to foshizzle
The OP said it was a joint venture affiliate who recorded the sale, and he was going to remote in to fix the accounting. He also used a $6 million sale to a single customer. I figured we are not talking about a mom & pop operation, but one that likely has financing arrangements with institutions who require audited financial statements.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:59 pm to Poodlebrain
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The OP said it was a joint venture affiliate who recorded the sale, and he was going to remote in to fix the accounting. He also used a $6 million sale to a single customer. I figured we are not talking about a mom & pop operation, but one that likely has financing arrangements with institutions who require audited financial statements.
Yes we get audited about 3 months out of every year by 3rd party auditors.
Foshizzle- you would be suprised. Even CPA's and experienced accountants can screw things up when things are busy and things get overlooked. It should have been caught in the past though.
In the case above, around 2% of the joint ventures sales are these types of sales. Sales are over $750 million a year.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 2/22/14 at 6:09 pm to foshizzle
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While true, companies that aren't already set up to handle this sort of thing routinely aren't big enough to get audited.
Heck there are several hundred US 'public' companies where all that is being audited after year one is the audit fee itself.
There are thousands of shell/development microcaps out there with exactly one employee and that guy rarely knows accounting I can promise you
Posted on 2/22/14 at 6:44 pm to Poodlebrain
Sorry, I was being somewhat (but only somewhat) flippant.
Honestly, kudos to the OP for trying to get an answer but if I were the controller of such a firm I'd be concerned this isn't handled already.
Honestly, kudos to the OP for trying to get an answer but if I were the controller of such a firm I'd be concerned this isn't handled already.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 9:54 am to JasonL79
I am not an accountant, but I do work in finance. As such, I'm responding more out of my own curiosity than anything else. I'll also answer as if you were a public company.
If the product is to be delivered down the road, the revenue should be deferred in accordance with most public company revenue recognition rules under U.S. GAAP.
As such, you'd record an immediate cash entry and an immediate deferred revenue liability. If you are financing the inventory required to deliver the product, you'd also record an increase in inventory and an offsetting increase in liabilities.
As the product is delivered, you'd recognize revenue from the deferred account consistent with the timing of product delivery. This would be an accrual entry to your revenue account, but you'd obviously receive no further cash. Under the matching principal, you'd time the realization of COGS to coincide with revenue recognition.
Deferred revenue is essentially cash received where performance has yet to be completed. Accounts receivable are incurred when performance has been completed, but cash has yet to be received. Cash revenue is equal to reported revenue less any increase in accounts receivable less any decrease in deferred revenue. Finally, if this were a service as opposed to a product, the deferred revenue would be recognized ratably over the life of the service contract.
If the product is to be delivered down the road, the revenue should be deferred in accordance with most public company revenue recognition rules under U.S. GAAP.
As such, you'd record an immediate cash entry and an immediate deferred revenue liability. If you are financing the inventory required to deliver the product, you'd also record an increase in inventory and an offsetting increase in liabilities.
As the product is delivered, you'd recognize revenue from the deferred account consistent with the timing of product delivery. This would be an accrual entry to your revenue account, but you'd obviously receive no further cash. Under the matching principal, you'd time the realization of COGS to coincide with revenue recognition.
Deferred revenue is essentially cash received where performance has yet to be completed. Accounts receivable are incurred when performance has been completed, but cash has yet to be received. Cash revenue is equal to reported revenue less any increase in accounts receivable less any decrease in deferred revenue. Finally, if this were a service as opposed to a product, the deferred revenue would be recognized ratably over the life of the service contract.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 10:02 am to JasonL79
I remember from when I took accounting that in cases like this you debit something and you credit something.
I hope this helps....
I hope this helps....
Posted on 2/23/14 at 10:07 am to JasonL79
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On our side, if we receive a prepayment of say $3,000,000.00, we apply it to AR which leaves a negative receivable balance on the system.
As Poodlebrain mentioned, the reason you had a negative balance is because you recorded two assets (cash and AR). Accounts receivable shouldn't have been recorded because you did in fact receive the cash. Instead, you'd record the deferred revenue, thereby providing you with your offsetting liability (remember, despite the name, deferred revenue is actually a liability - it's essentially a loan - if you don't perform, you don't keep the cash you received).
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