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Converting an annuity
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/25/11 at 11:19 am
I need to convert an annuity into a monthly fixed income stream.
Looking for suggestions as to the Life Insurance Company that I should contact.
Any other vehicle to consider for the pay out?
Thanks,
Looking for suggestions as to the Life Insurance Company that I should contact.
Any other vehicle to consider for the pay out?
Thanks,
Posted on 2/25/11 at 3:40 pm to hobart65
The rates are terrible right now. Good luck.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 3:50 pm to hobart65
How much? Qualified(IRA) or Non-Qualified?
Posted on 2/25/11 at 6:11 pm to hobart65
Modern Woodmen of America offers a good one. (Yes, I work for them) you can check it out though. It pays 3% guaranteed and you can do a smooth exchange to turn it into a fixed payment. I would have to know how much you were pushing over, your age etc. before I could tell you how much to expect.
Posted on 2/25/11 at 6:33 pm to hobart65
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Non-qualified
Lincoln National has a great one for non-qualified money. The payout is obviously based on your age and value. It will pay a certain % the first with the guarantee never to get less than 75% of that number. It will step-up every 3 years if it benefits you. The best thing about it is they have an exclusion ratio on the lifetime income that allows a portion (depending on age) to come out as a return of principal, thus not taxed. I realize a SPIA does the same thing, but the difference is you still have access to your balance if you need to make a lump sum distribution. Let me know if you have any other questions. And no, I don't work for Lincoln.
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Posted on 2/25/11 at 9:18 pm to LSUBanker
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The rates are terrible right now. Good luck.
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Posted on 2/27/11 at 7:55 pm to Fat Bastard
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Posted on 2/27/11 at 9:49 pm to hobart65
We have MetLife, and our guaranteed payout is 5%, but up to 20% if they earn it. Lately it's been 5%. I do not work for them.
Posted on 2/28/11 at 11:11 am to notslim99
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Posted on 2/28/11 at 11:50 am to topstunter
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By guaranteed payout, do you mean guaranteed rate of interest?
I'm not educated enough to know. We get paid 5% interest per year. Anything over 5% can be paid to us or put back into the annuity, per our request. I don't really know what the right terms are to describe what we have other than a tax-deferred annuity.
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Posted on 2/28/11 at 11:58 am to notslim99
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Posted on 2/28/11 at 7:08 pm to topstunter
The annuity is at a guaranteed interest rate.
I did not mean to give the wrong impression.
What I am doing is converting the annuity into a monthly stream of income for retirement. Based on the Insurance Company Life expectancy tables, my age, current interest rates etc., they will pay me a certain amount of money per month.
I did not mean to give the wrong impression.
What I am doing is converting the annuity into a monthly stream of income for retirement. Based on the Insurance Company Life expectancy tables, my age, current interest rates etc., they will pay me a certain amount of money per month.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 8:04 am to hobart65
Basically, you have a few options on the payout. IF you're over 70 1/2, you avoid any tax penalties. I'm not sure about other companies, but with mine, if you have had the annuity in effect for 5 years, you avoid a surrender charge. If you're under 70 1/2, you will face an IRS penalty for pulling your money out early. This penalty only reflects your earnings though, not what you've paid in. So your options.... 1) Life certain with no guarantee (this yields the highest payment, but if something happens to you, the company keeps the money) 2) 10 year certain (your payments are still pretty high, but if something happens to you in the 10 years, your beneficiary continues to receive the same payment until the 10 years is over) whatever remains goes to the company. 3) Life income certain- You will receive payments for your entire life. You can't outlive your payments. This is based on mortality rates, so your payments depend on you age. 4) Cash refund- Go this route. 75% of my clients take this option. You, or you beneficiary are guaranteed to receive every penny in your annuity. The payout is a little lower (about $50-$100) per month in most cases, but this is your best option. You don't want the insurance company to get your money. 5) This is another option- If you are under 70 1/2, you can set yourself up to receive equal payments over 5 years. In this case, you won't be charged by the IRS and you should be able to avoid surrender charges through your company. This is a good option if you're looking for money pretty quickly, and not over the span of your lifetime. 6) Finally, you could just surrender it, take all your money, and take the wife to the grand canyon. Again, you'll face a penalty on your earnings from the good ol' IRS, and you might face a surrender charge through the company. My best advice though....Go talk to your agent. Every company is different. Hope that helped.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:12 am to hobart65
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I need to convert an annuity into a monthly fixed income stream. Looking for suggestions as to the Life Insurance Company that I should contact. Any other vehicle to consider for the pay out? Thanks,
I am not an annuity expert. Are being forced to convert or need to increase your present income? What are your options with the current provider?
Fixed rates stink right now, you will be lucky to get 3% on SPIA's now, I shudder to think what a policy might cost that covers a period certain/spouse/inflation component. Depending on your situation a variable annuity may provide benefit, but most are very costly to the owner (fees, disclosed or otherwise) and the rule of thumb is the owner needs to hold one roughly 10-years minimum to offset costs.
You can do a 1035 exchange from your annuity tax free and then start drawing income.
I guess I am the resident Vanguard shill, but they offer very low cost annuity options, like 75% cheaper than most other annuity firms. I would go to vanguard.com, look under "what we offer" and go to the annuity section and/or call a rep there. Good luck.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:30 pm to tirebiter
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Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:46 pm to topstunter
I'm pretty sure he has a fixed annuity, at least that's what I got out of it. He's not interested in converting it to another company. He's just looking to receive his payout now.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 9:54 pm to adavis
I don't know why I said 70 1/2 to avoid the penalty. It's 59 1/2. Sorry.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:08 am to adavis
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