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Company car - Is it worth using for personal use?

Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:51 pm
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:51 pm
Our firm is looking at issuing company cars to a few of us. The early discussion is that we will have two options. A) use the car for work only and not face any tax implications or B) use the car for whatever we want but have it reflected in our wages and compensation which means our tax liability goes up.

How do you figure out when it's worth using the car for personal use? Is there a general rule-of-thumb in terms of what percentage of the lease expense is allocated towards "personal use" on the check?
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

How do you figure out when it's worth using the car for personal use? Is there a general rule-of-thumb in terms of what percentage of the lease expense is allocated towards "personal use" on the check?


If the company is paying maintenance and possibly fuel, it's worth it. Plus the tax implication is off the vehicle value and % used for personal vs. Company. So just don't get company ferrari's
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 9:59 pm
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:58 pm to
I would think if it means replacing the expense of owning and maintaining your own car for personal use, it's a no brainer.


If you decide to keep a personal car, different story.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:09 pm to
I thought about that. I would keep my truck unless we get a larger SUV for the wife. We could then use that when we need to pull something or have more people to carry around. The company car options range from mid-size sedans to small SUVs.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:14 pm to
If I were keeping my own "weekend" vehicle, than I'd prefer my company car to have zero tax implications for me.

I think the biggest perk of it is getting rid of a car in your household though.

The large SUV for spouse is probably the way I would go.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:19 pm to
We have company cars with the company I work for. I use my car for personal and work. My yearly tax bill for my personal use? About $500 . So yea, it's definitely worth it .

Our company has a website where we list monthly personal miles and business miles. Then, they add the cash value to our earnings statement from which taxes are paid.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 10:32 pm
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:43 pm to
Curious question. Do you carry separate auto insurance or rely on the company's insurance?
Posted by PrettyLights
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:55 am to
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This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 10:20 pm
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7873 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:48 am to
My company charged us $50/month for personal use to deal with this and it worked well.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:09 am to
quote:

Curious question. Do you carry separate auto insurance or rely on the company's insurance?


The company car would be insured by the company
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
30297 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:32 am to
Coming from someone who used to have a company truck that had gas and maintenance paid for, I wish I still had it. I could use it for anything within 100 mile radius.

We just had to log our personal mileage every month.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37088 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 12:58 pm to
Let's say the monthly note, gas, fuel, insurance, maintenance, etc on a car that you own is $5,000 a year.

Let's then say you are offered personal use of work car, but the personal use is going to require $5,000 a year accrue in wages.

In the first example, you are out $5,000 cash.

In the second example, you are out whatever the tax cost is of $5,000. No matter what state you are in or what kind of income you make, you are not going to be paying 100 percent of your income in tax.

Even if you were very wealthy and paid a combined federal/state/FICA/etc rate of 50% on each additional dollar, it's costing you $2,500 to use the work vehicle for personal use.

Would you rather spend $5,000 a year or $2,500 a year?

You need to find out how you are charged, but in almost all cases, for an employee, it's better to take the company car. This is of course assuming it's your only car for you.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:18 pm to
As long as we declare that we will be using our company cars for personal reasons, you can "use" the company's auto insurance.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:32 pm to
OK, but what if you drive a friend's car. Does the company insurance still cover you?
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 4/9/16 at 10:09 am to
I guess I'm a bit confused here. If I am driving a friend's car, then I assume that I am on my own. The company only owns my car and insures my car, not my friends. However, my wife and I have a van that we both are listed on. That being said, I never have read my policy up close to see what coverage I do have.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2795 posts
Posted on 4/9/16 at 1:09 pm to
I had company cars for over 25 years. First, make sure the company car is something you would like to drive. My last two cars were a Chevy Malibu and then a Chrysler 300. We always had American made cars for political reasons and I liked both of these. When I was younger I chose minivans because my wife and I thought it was better for travel with 3 kids.

The company car was always our most driven car. It was the first one used for any local trip or out of town trip. The only limits the company placed on its use were that I could not expense gas while I was on vacation and only 1 fill up on the weekends. I always gassed up on Friday so I usually didn't have to gas up on weekends. And, my children were not allowed to drive it. Very liberal policy.

I had to track personal miles. I kept a small calendar in the car for this purpose. It was not a major inconvenience. At the end of each quarter I had to fill out a one page form that asked for the odometer reading at the beginning of the quarter and at the end of the quarter, the number of personal miles driven and had to sign that I kept a log of personal miles. My company would estimate the value of the car based on some publication they subscribed to and the percentage of personal use mileage. That amount would appear on a future pay check. I treated it somewhat as a bonus. I was taxed at my normal tax rate. In other words if the "value" to me was $1,000 dollars it would cost me $280 based on a 28% marginal income tax bracket. My personal use usually was between 10 and 25%. I know others I worked with would claim only 1% personal use and were never questioned on it. Of course, the IRS may get curious if they audited your tax return.

My company car arrangement was a huge benefit because of my company's personal use policy. Also, we would usually get a new one every 24 to 36 months based on total mileage. A new car at least every three years meant that it was always in pretty good shape.
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