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Can the USA go into more and more debt forever?

Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:29 pm
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:29 pm
With the Trump spending and tax cut plan (and obviously Trump was not the first president to spend a lot) , when does this all come falling down? 30 years from now? 50 years from now? Can the federal debt continue to grow with no problems?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:37 pm to
According to LSU's flamboyant, clothes-matching Econ 2030 professor, yes.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4583 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:54 pm to
Guess you missed where Trump has literally lowered the national debt since he's been in office..

But to answer your question, yes they can as long as the military can back it up.. a country is not a mortal being and does not have to pay off its debt like a person would.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:55 pm to
Lol what was that guys name? Looked like peter griffin, personality of Jim Cramer
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
4978 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

Guess you missed where Trump has literally lowered the national debt since he's been in office..
Nothing on this board surprises me anymore.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 4/27/17 at 10:16 pm to
Believe he was referring to how his tax plan would increase the national debt, unless the "voodoo" economics works
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

Can the USA go into more and more debt forever?


Pretty much yes, it will just get expensive for debt service when IR go up.
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2465 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 8:12 am to
One of the problems is the amount of debt held by US Citizens. A default would be like the great depression in the 30s.

The government can also cover debt by printing money, kind of.

We really just need to slow the increase in debt. If we can get out of some of these wars and get the world to start paying us to defend them it would help. The social spending we be helped when we get over this baby boom bubble in about 20 years.
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1280 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:06 am to
We can't pay what we owe now without a lot of pain. Greece situation or worse. Politicians won't allow it to happen until the market forces it. The Chinese could dump government bonds and cause this at any time. They'd just have to be willing to eat the loss on the bonds they hold. Research the Russian involvement in our CMO and derivatives induced housing crash if you want to see how it can be done.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4583 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:42 am to
quote:

The Chinese could dump government bonds and cause this at any time.


This is the biggest misconception that everybody believes bc they watch the news too much.
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1280 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:03 pm to
China has been selling to support the renminbi/yuan you are coorect. They still hold over 1 trillion dollars worth of our bonds as of year end. I personally think a sell order of that size would do us sizable damage. I don't watch much news.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4583 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 12:27 pm to
Not really. First of all there has to be a buyer for them to just "sell" their debt..

second of all, you really think that the whole world would just watch the strongest government in the worlds debt just sit out there and fall in price? In theory our gov cannot default on its debt bc we have the ability to produce more money to pay for it. So someone, whether it's the American public, hedge funds, foreign nations whatever, would get a hell of a deal on buying up that debt that China would want to sell.. especially when the rest of the world is in a worse rate environment than us. Then china would be the one who is fricked.
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1280 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 1:44 pm to
There were no bidders for the CMO derivatives that wrecked the market and broke wire houses that had been here a long time. Where were all our foreign friends then? Sure somebody will bid on the bonds but at what price. At some point in time there will be a market cleansing of our debt. It's the only way out. We are not willing to take the pain to pay it thru austerity measures. At some point the dollar will lose alot of value or we'll hyperinflate or both. I'm 57 I doubt it happens in my lifetime but at some point it will happen. China holds 1/6 of our bonds held by foreign govs.. That's alot. As a side note I still can't believe that Aramco is allowed to 100% own and operate Motiva. If that isn't a national security issue I don't know what is. You may gather I don't have a lot of faith in our gov. and you'd be correct.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4583 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:13 pm to
There's a pretty big difference in a CMO where someone has a shifty credit and can't pay the debt back and the strongest government in the world with the highest interest rate (considering credit) paying their debt back.
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1280 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 2:44 pm to
You're right there's a difference but to me there are similarities too. Who would've thought we could have a debt crisis that broke Lehman Bros, GM, and Chrysler among others. I didn't see it coming for sure. To pay our debt back we'd have to raise taxes pretty substantially and cut spending drastically. I just don't see that happening. Please don't take me wrong I don't mean to be contentious but I do disagree with you. In my lifetime Eisenhower I believe and Clinton are the only Presidents to preside over a balanced budget. I just don't think that bodes well for our future and I don't see it changing.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:51 pm to
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