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BRRRR Method

Posted on 1/17/24 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Jerrysworld
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
175 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 4:38 pm
Give me your pros and cons. Seems like an interesting concept.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85088 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 5:22 pm to


Pros:

You can use debt to leverage your dollars and buy more income-generating property than more “traditional” ways of investing in assets. Theoretically that leverage will make you a real estate mini-tycoon.

Cons:

That same leverage can put you out of business if you have some severe financial problems along the way. The most obvious one to me is the severe optimism people usually have about what it will take to renovate a home. My anecdotal experience has been that people with little to no experience woefully underestimate the capital and/or time it will take to complete the remodel and end up with a much higher breakeven than they initially thought. Typically if an easy flip pops up, the seasoned real estate investors buy it. If you’re able to buy it, you might want to ask serious questions about why the pros let it go to you.

The other potential problems are the idiosyncratic risks that a single property presents. Ex - Replacing an A/C when you have 10 rentals is a lot easier than when you have 1, all else being equal. Vacancy and tenant problems will also exist. You can also run into issues with the overall cost of capital in high interest rate environments. Insurance costs can be a problem as well.

You really need your cash flow in a good spot to truly mitigate those risks.


Real estate investing is a tried and true way to create significant wealth, but a lot of people get tired of the headache and can’t wait to get rid of their rental(s) too.

Good luck.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 5:54 pm to
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BRRRR Method

quote:

Give me your pros and cons.
I turned my central heat on the past two mornings...
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3809 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:27 pm to
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BRRRR Method


Got its arse blasted with high rates, especially if new to the game.

Real estate takes a sizeable amount of money to really get it rolling.

How much liquid do you have right now?
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4465 posts
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:20 pm to
Isn’t working as well with high rates.

I’m trying to do it with one of my fix and flips and would potentially have to leave in $10k of equity. Not a big deal, but defeats the whole point of a brrrr.

Rates are coming down and now in the upper 7’s for some loans, but it will need to come down some more to be more favorable.

There are of course many outliers that still work cash flow wise though.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4631 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 6:07 am to
It seems like a full time job.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14230 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:26 am to
It seems like right now buying to flip or rent just doesn’t make sense unless you can pay cash or find a unique situation. The cost of construction, cost of homes and cost to carry debt makes the margins razor thin unless you can ford to buy it outright. Depending on appreciation alone is great as long as your total cost to carry doesn’t create a cash drain. Also, home appreciation is a paper gain and useless until you sell the property or borrow against it.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10415 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 4:56 pm to
The deals have dried up. It's all premium prices for real estate. People are buying rentals for the appreciation these days. It's a far cry from what we were able to do not that long ago.
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3809 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:30 pm to
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The deals have dried up. It's all premium prices for real estate. People are buying rentals for the appreciation these days. It's a far cry from what we were able to do not that long ago.




This. I just landed a place about 100k under market value, at investment rates, I'd only break even which is a giant win in this market. I'll be flipping it to add to my cash basket for later investments or a new ride for my wife.
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