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Bayou Bridge Pipeline

Posted on 2/27/17 at 7:01 am
Posted by CharleyLake
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 7:01 am
Will the proposed Bayou Bridge Pipeline project be real boon to the economy or will it create mostly tenporary jobs and become another "we build it and leave" project by creating few permanent jobs?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 7:51 am to
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few permanent jobs
Posted by Lefty Diego
West of the Pecos
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:01 am to
The company building it, Energy Transfer, already has a presence in the state. I would expect maybe 2 or so new positions depending on the current staffing level.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:50 am to
If you were to peal back the earth in South Louisiana you could walk around just fine on the steel. What’s one more pipeline?
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:26 am to
Sneaky, I am not an environmenalist but it begs the questions if an additional pipeline would require additonal roads,levees, and canals to be constucted across wetlands and our state's natural resources to inspect the integrity of this steel, repair leaks, and perform other maintenance? Would wildlife be negatively affected?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:34 am to
There are studies done, and a lot of jumping through the hoops to make sure the environment isn't impacted.
Now of course leaks happen, but there are a lot of things in play to make sure it doesn't... Scada, line inspections etc. And when it does happen, there's a remediation process to minimize the long term effects.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:51 am to
Thought we were talking about jobs? Obviously the economic impact is more than what's created during the construction period or to operate and maintain the line. The true economic value is created by connecting markets. The two shouldn't be weighed against each other. If the market supports building a pipeline, and it can be done in an environmentally responsible manner, then build it. Landowners and others affected by the construction or loss of land are compensated for their losses.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:58 am to
I seem to recall recently reading about deaths from pipeline fires/explosions in St.Charles and St.James Parishes. I imagine that is poor timing for advocates of how safe pipeline transportation is.

Pipeline may be safer vehicle of transportation than trucks, I have no idea, but trucks will always have to carry end products from the refineries to the filling stations, I suspect.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:11 pm to
Sure, two people have responded declaring that an abundance of peremanent jobs would not be created.

If the economic value suports building a pipline, would jobs not be lost from marine business such as barge transportion, tankers and perhaps trucking and rail cars.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:33 pm to
Do you support the idea that a private for profit company should be allowed to take a landowner's property? Do you think that it is fair to the land owner to allow his property to be interrupted and taken for a permanent servitude, that is for a one-time payment the pipeline company would profit forever or would fair compensation to the landodwner for this loss of land require a periodic reevaluation and adjustment of rents? Some of the pipeline companies in Calcasieu Parish claim eligibility for a public purpose because their products are feedstocks for a joint of plastic pipe. I have no concern with the Bayou Bridge Pipeline project outher than cuiosity. Just askin'.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:59 pm to
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Sure, two people have responded declaring that an abundance of peremanent jobs would not be created.



There will be many new permanent jobs created for the maintenance and operation of this pipeline. ETC already has a strong operational presence in South LA with infrastructure of the pipeline systems they currently own, however they would have to have much more permanent resources to take on this additional pipeline.
Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:17 pm to
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There will be many new permanent jobs
Ehhh not really.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37081 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:37 pm to
Few permanent jobs for the pipeline itself.

Maybe a few jobs for loading up at the pipeline start point.

If anything, this will reduce the number of truck drivers and trains needed to move stuff, so might actually be a net job loss.

But it's "safer" and faster.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10423 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:45 pm to
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Ehhh not really.



Not a ton but more than there were before. Plus, the construction will be a huge benefit to the economy as the workforce to build the pipeline moves in.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2472 posts
Posted on 2/27/17 at 8:55 pm to
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Do you support the idea that a private for profit company should be allowed to take a landowner's property?

Sure, this is pretty common procedure, done through the courts, to support public infrastructure.

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Do you think that it is fair to the land owner to allow his property to be interrupted and taken for a permanent servitude,

Most pipeline easements allow the landowner to continue use of the property for farming, livestock or hunting purposes. You just can't improve the property on the easement, for obvious reasons. Now when you start talking about railroads or overhead transmission lines, that's where things get tricky.
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that is for a one-time payment the pipeline company would profit forever or would fair compensation to the landowner for this loss of land require a periodic reevaluation and adjustment of rents?

In most cases landowners can structure the payment stream at their discretion. An easement can be negotiated on a term basis as well, with periodic options for renewal.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:50 am to
Sneaky, thank you for sharing your comments and listening to mine. I suspect that you are an employee or stockholder of a pipeline company, attorney, or land agent. I am neither. I fail to understand how a private for profit company can use the power of eminent domain to strong arm people. You agree that a pipeline company that transports a feed stock to make a product that ends up in a joint of plastic pipe supports public infrastructure at the expense of a cattleman or crawfish farmer, correct?

I can support a railroad, power line, or a hospital, for examples, qualifying for "public purpose" but where does it stop?
CVS Pharmacy, Walmart, video store, titty bar?
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2472 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:29 am to
What if that pipeline is transporting gas to a rural utility or to a rural power cooperative's gas fired power plant? What is the difference between a railroad carrying various goods through a region with no direct benefit to the region?



Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:03 am to
Likely not too much but I do not know. I think that both are viewed legally as a "common carrier." That is to say that all of us can somehow benefit. For example, we can buy a street car ticket and get a ride to the zoo from St. Charles Avenue is how I think of its intended definition.

The difference is that often a pipeline company that purports to be a "common carrier" for "public purpose" is flawed. Will the private for for profit pipeline company allow Opelousas Soustan to construct an ethylene lateral from their pipeline to his dance hall? No way. There is no "public purpose", only corporate greed. Please do not tell me otherwise in this particular example.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2472 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:24 am to
So in your opinion, corporations and partnerships shouldn't be allowed the same access to the natural gas grid as individuals?
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:21 pm to
I am lost on the term "natural gas grid." I am not a businessman. To rephrase your question-would you agree that INDIVIDUALS be allowed to the same access to a natural gas pipleline directly, say for home or business heating as corporations or partnerships have? If so, I would say that it would qualify as a "public purpose."

However, that dog don't hunt relative to pipelines that transport hydrocarbons (ethane, propane, ethylene, etc.) in Louisiana.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem eager to trample on the constitutional rights of individual land owners. Are you a land man (land agent), attorney, employee, or stockholder of a pipeline company?
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