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Annuity Owners, please share your experiences.

Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:22 am
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
17695 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:22 am
I'm shopping annuities and all the brochures highligt the advantages and possible returns.
I have yet to find even one cherry-picked, real life performance of actual returns and expenses. I'm asking that those who are drawing from an annuity, what type is it, and are you happy with it's performance (meaning, it's paying about what you expected it to pay, or are expenses and performance below of what you thought you bought). An annuity makes sense for some 'safe money', but all that glitters may not be gold.
Are you happy with your annuity or do you have buyer's remorse?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25774 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:10 am to
I'm just curious of your horizon to need the funds.

Are you looking to draw down in a year?
2?
5?
7?
10?
Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1284 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 2:51 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85136 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:25 pm to
You sound anti-annuity, which is fine, but what led you to shopping annuities in the first place?
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5350 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:45 am to
The wife has a structured settlement annuity. She was in a wreck when she was young in life and has titanium in her face and a scar on her elbow. I have no clue how much the original payout was, but her parents put the money into a structured annuity. It pays out every 2nd and 3rd year and the amounts increase quite a bit every couple of payments and the last one is like $124k when she turns 50. Think the overall value was somewhere just shy of $700k.

When we were younger and wanting a house, we considered that JG Wentworth or comparable buyout. But we soon realized that is a terrible idea. They wanted to pay something like 12.5 cents on the dollar for the annuity. Someone falsely told us it was something more like $.80 on the dollar but that was WAY off.

If you're not greedy, I'm guessing if you can find someone with a structured settlement annuity that needs some cash now, you could buy either the whole thing or select payouts at $.50 on the dollar pretty easy. Finding those people is probably the real challenge.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25774 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:50 am to
I don't think that is what he is asking.

I don't even think he is asking about annuitizing the annuity (most people never do)
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3006 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 8:30 am to
suggest you visit the bogleheads board and search under this topic. there are a couple of insurance guys that post alot about SPIA'. there are also several posters that discuss their strategies. One dude in particular buys a new spia each year. dollar cost averaging and creating his own penson. i'm following those threads with interest.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
17695 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 9:23 am to
Thanks to all for responding.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25774 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 10:41 am to
quote:

there are a couple of insurance guys that post alot about SPIA'


For the longest time, annuitizing should have been looked at like a 4 letter word.

But with interest rates up for the first time in a long time, it may be back on the table.

You want to lockin your mortgages at interest rate lows.
You want to annuitize at interest rate highs.

Annuitizing in a low interest rate environment voluntarily is like taking a high interest mortgage when it isn't necessary.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5603 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:26 pm to
What kind of annuity are you considering and for what reason? Sounds like you’re looking at a variable and annuitizing for lifetime income? Is that correct?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25774 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:34 pm to
If he is annuitizing quickly (immediate or 1 year), then the type doesn't really matter.

Variable is just for the accumulation phase (again... most people never annuitize. They just make withdrawals).
Posted by RadioactiveTiger
Chernobyl
Member since Aug 2007
166 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:59 pm to
Annuities are not for everyone and many on the money board look down on them because they don't return as well as the stock market. I have used then two different ways. Early in our investing career, my wife was risk adverse so we put away whatever we could into a fixed annuity earning 4, 5, 6 or 7% and also maxed out our 401k, 403g, simple, sepp, self directed 401k, etc. The interest grew tax deferred, and kept getting rolled over. We never planned on actually annuitizing, rather looked at it as guaranteed retirement money earning a rate better than a bank. Now that I am closer to retirement, it is one of several sources I will use to balance what I will owe to the IRS from my retirement funds. I have several with different maturity dates that continue to earn 4.5% or higher. They are just a part of a portfolio that contains stocks, bonds, ETF's, mutual funds, etc.. I was comfortable the last few times the market had a downturn and not all of my money was at risk and my losses were not as great.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5603 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:36 pm to
Being variable absolutely effects the payout long term
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25774 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

Being variable absolutely effects the payout long term

When you annuitize the annuity, you forfeit all rights to the money in exchange for a monthly or annual check which is preset at the time of the annuitization (there may be an adjustment for inflation... but there is no longer any other type of adjustment).
It essentially becomes like a social security check from an insurance company for as long as you live (with a possible period certain).
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