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re: Would this have worked?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:39 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:39 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
quote:
They can on last play of game because rule says game CANNOT end with a penalty. There has to be one more play. If they decline. the ball just doesnt get moved back.
You are wrong....check extension of a period section.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:44 pm to arrakis
The rule did nor change, the wording of the penalty changed...
You line up less than 7 on the line you will
get a penalty everytime
You line up less than 7 on the line you will
get a penalty everytime
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:48 pm to KBeezy
quote:
The rule did nor change, the wording of the penalty changed...
You line up less than 7 on the line you will
get a penalty everytime
Wrong:
quote:
Offensive Scrimmage Formation (Rules 1-1-1-b-2 and 7-1-3-b) The requirement for having at least seven offensive players on the line of scrimmage has been re-stated to allow no more than four players in the backfield. This is not a rule change but merely a different way of writing the same requirement. It does eliminate the foul for a team having ten players when there are only six on the line of scrimmage. Otherwise, the requirements for scrimmage formations remain the same.
LINK
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:49 pm to KBeezy
Also an ineligible numbered reciever, such as t-bob, can become an eligible reciever
by checkin in to
the ref under NFL rules only.
NCAA rules state thar numbered jerseys between 50-79 are ineligible to catch a forward pass under any circumstance
by checkin in to
the ref under NFL rules only.
NCAA rules state thar numbered jerseys between 50-79 are ineligible to catch a forward pass under any circumstance
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:51 pm to KBeezy
So if it had been another player instead, not in that number range, he'd be eligible, despite being the center, right?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:54 pm to KBeezy
Now I found why this won't work. Its the very start of the rules, literally
So you need at least 5 men on the field to have a legal play, and at least 6 to have a legal one with a quarterback.
quote:
The Game
ARTICLE 1. a. The game shall be played between two teams of not more
than 11 players each, on a rectangular field and with an inflated ball having
the shape of a prolate spheroid.
b. A team legally may play with fewer than 11 players, but a foul for an
illegal formation occurs if the following requirements are not met:
1. When the ball is free-kicked, at least four Team A players are on each
side of the kicker (Rule 6-1-2-c).
2. At the snap, at least five players wearing jerseys numbered 50
through 79 are on the offensive scrimmage line and no more than
four players are in the backfield (Rules 2-21-2, 2-27-4 and 7-1-3-b-1)
(Exception: Rule 1-4-2-b) (A.R. 1-4-2-I-V).
So you need at least 5 men on the field to have a legal play, and at least 6 to have a legal one with a quarterback.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:00 pm to MisterLuce
Okay so half my statement you quoted as wrong was actually right...
so it the rule did not change, just the wording
quote:
This is not a rule change but merely a different way of writing the same requirement.
so it the rule did not change, just the wording
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:07 pm to MisterLuce
quote:
There is no 10 second run-off in college.
Is this true? Then why didn't we just call a timeout? We didn't have any so penalty, but clock stoppage.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:12 pm to Slip Screen
Les actually answered this... Said something like "they don't penalize you for that, the just tell you you have no more time outs while the clock runs out."
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:15 pm to KBeezy
quote:
so it the rule did not change, just the wording
Not so. You may have 5 men on the line and 4 in the backfield if those 5 men are numbered 50-79.
before the rule change you needed 7 on the line period.
BUT - my idea of having a single center and a QB IS an illegal formation.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:16 pm to Slip Screen
The 5 on the line between 50-79 for a normal play from scrimmage is correct. The exemption for numbering is only applicable to a scrimmage kick formation......
My comment was directed at his attempt to get the snapper eligible and here's how it can occur:
Scrimmage kick formation
Snapper is not numbered 50-79
Snapper is uncovered (end of the line)
My comment was directed at his attempt to get the snapper eligible and here's how it can occur:
Scrimmage kick formation
Snapper is not numbered 50-79
Snapper is uncovered (end of the line)
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:16 pm to Slip Screen
quote:
Is this true? Then why didn't we just call a timeout? We didn't have any so penalty, but clock stoppage.
There is a section on "unfair clock tactics" If LSU had done anything the refs considered an unfair clock tactic, they would have killed the game.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:18 pm to arrakis
quote:
Scrimmage kick formation
Snapper is not numbered 50-79
Snapper is uncovered (end of the line)
Why would it have to be a scrimmage kick? Why not 6 on one side of the center? Why wouldn't he be eligible then?
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:20 pm to MisterLuce
I just quoted from the rule and link you posted that said "This is not a rule change"
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:23 pm to KBeezy
quote:
I just quoted from the rule and link you posted that said "This is not a rule change"
Right - but it contradicts itself
quote:
It does eliminate the foul for a team having ten players when there are only six on the line of scrimmage.
The actual rule statement is:
quote:
The Game
ARTICLE 1. a. The game shall be played between two teams of not more
than 11 players each, on a rectangular field and with an inflated ball having
the shape of a prolate spheroid.
b. A team legally may play with fewer than 11 players, but a foul for an
illegal formation occurs if the following requirements are not met:
1. When the ball is free-kicked, at least four Team A players are on each
side of the kicker (Rule 6-1-2-c).
2. At the snap, at least five players wearing jerseys numbered 50
through 79 are on the offensive scrimmage line and no more than
four players are in the backfield (Rules 2-21-2, 2-27-4 and 7-1-3-b-1)
(Exception: Rule 1-4-2-b) (A.R. 1-4-2-I-V).
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:29 pm to MisterLuce
Read and learn the rules.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:32 pm to taddcalif
quote:
Read and learn the rules.
Working on it dude. I know I know, its only 272 pages.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 4:59 pm to MisterLuce
quote:
Why would it have to be a scrimmage kick? Why not 6 on one side of the center? Why wouldn't he be eligible then?
Good question....and he would still be eligible if it is a scrimmage kick formation.
The key is scrimmage kick formation; not a scrimmage kick itself. One player has to be at least 7 yards behind the LOS and no player in position to receive a hand to hand snap. 2-15-10
When this occurs, the numbering requirement exemption comes into play.
I know for a fact he's eligible because I fricked up the call a few years ago and you never forget those.....
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