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Would SEC officials ever go this route when reviewing the past week's games?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:24 am
The Big 12 officiating supervisor said Monday he was pleased with the officiating of Oklahoma State's 30-27 win over Texas but did observe a few mistakes during his review of a game that has become controversial among Texas fans.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:28 am to nicholastiger
The SEC office is infamous for protecting its officials. It would have to be a blatantly blown call for them to criticize a referee.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:47 am to nicholastiger
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LSU had five false starts, three personal fouls, two holding calls and two flags for pass interference.
Other than the Jones late hit and possibly one of the PI's (which almost always seem to be controversial), I wish all those crying about the officiating would show me where the officials were "so bad"?
Neal's PF was the right call. Dumb rule, but the right call. The illegal formations/false starts were cut and dry. Jeter tackled his man on a holding call. Pocic's holding wasn't as blatant, but holding is one of those penalties that can be called much more than it is.
Even in the previous games (AU and MSU) the holdings and personal fouls, for the most part, were pretty obvious.
Year after year LSU is generally ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the country in "fewest penalties per game". In the SEC over the last 5 years only UGA and UF have averaged more penalties per game than LSU.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:48 am to Alt26
Yup
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:58 am to Alt26
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I wish all those crying about the officiating would show me where the officials were "so bad"?
This.
I guess the ranters are upset that Fournette's run was called back. Dural has absolutely zero excuse for this and should run 80 yard sprints for fun like Fournette did. Maybe Fournette decides when its enough.
Malachi whining to the press about the ref's as well should include him in a couple of these sprints. It was clearly a penalty and no one said a word when they called it on Syracuse earlier.
Penalties suck, but I dont ever want to win the penalty award.
The turnover award? Now that is a completely different story.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:00 am to nicholastiger
An opposing player could pull a gun and shoot an LSU player dead with no flag or even stoppage of play and the SEC would defend the refs' actions or lack thereof. On the opposite end of that, we might get a personal foul called for this thread today with the penalty applied at a crucial moment of the Bama game, all with the SEC's blessing.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:06 am to Erin Go Bragh
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The SEC office is infamous for protecting its officials. It would have to be a blatantly blown call against Alabama for them to criticize a referee.
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:43 am to Alt26
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Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:54 am to Alt26
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Other than the Jones late hit and possibly one of the PI's (which almost always seem to be controversial), I wish all those crying about the officiating would show me where the officials were "so bad"?
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Pocic's holding wasn't as blatant, but holding is one of those penalties that can be called much more than it is.
I think that's the point. How many holds and PFs and PIs were called against Syracuse? I'm not saying the infractions didn't occur, but calling it so tightly against one team has a material bearing on the outcome of the football game.
I truly envy those who are not bothered by this.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:57 am to Alt26
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Year after year LSU is generally ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the country in "fewest penalties per game". In the SEC over the last 5 years only UGA and UF have averaged more penalties per game than LSU.
Must be Miles...?*
Turns out, even when Saban was here LSU was still heavily penalized. In fact, for the past 12 1/3 seasons (and I'd bet this goes back a very long time but could only find the stats to 2003) LSU has been significantly more penalized than BAMA, for instance.
Hasn't mattered how good the respective teams where that season.
Hasn't matter who was coach for either program.
Team with the crimson helmet got less calls each year for 12 1/3 seasons than the team with the yellow ones.
Not arguing that LSU isn't always heavily penalized...just wondering aloud why that is...because it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the team's success or the man on the sidelines.
* Wasn't suggesting you were suggesting it was, just that many seem to do that...the facts do not bear that out however.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 12:02 pm to Alt26
What about the no call on the cuse fake field.throws his fist forward and bumps into jamal Adams in a tauting action.While not intentional on the cuse players part,it still happened and should have been flagged.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 12:04 pm to Alt26
Both holding calls were very weak and were not called the other way all game. The PI near the end zone was a bad call, both because the players were battling for position and the defender turned his head in time, and the ball was about 10 yards wide of the receiver.
The late hit out of bounds was bullshite. And there was a pretty clear no call late hit on Harris, right in front of the ref who blew the play dead at least a few seconds before the SU defender slammed Harris in the ground.
I don't blame the refs for the illegal formation or the Neal PI (except for missing the illegal hands causing the helmet to fly off), but those were big plays that were not affected at all by the player committing the penalty.
The bottom line is it's rarely an evenly called game when the disparity in penalties is so high, because teams commit some penalty on most plays. At that point, it's a discretion thing.
The late hit out of bounds was bullshite. And there was a pretty clear no call late hit on Harris, right in front of the ref who blew the play dead at least a few seconds before the SU defender slammed Harris in the ground.
I don't blame the refs for the illegal formation or the Neal PI (except for missing the illegal hands causing the helmet to fly off), but those were big plays that were not affected at all by the player committing the penalty.
The bottom line is it's rarely an evenly called game when the disparity in penalties is so high, because teams commit some penalty on most plays. At that point, it's a discretion thing.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 12:06 pm to siberian tiger
quote:Or the no call on the Syracuse player executing a perfect Walker Texas Ranger roundhouse kick?
What about the no call on the cuse fake field.throws his fist forward and bumps into jamal Adams in a tauting action.While not intentional on the cuse players part,it still happened and should have been flagged.
And again, just asking...it's an ACC home game. Why no ACC Refs? Why SEC Refs? Seriously, don't know the rule.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 12:09 pm to Alt26
I don't think the penalties called were wrong. However, it did not appear the same close attention was performed on the other team.
Lsu's player gets his helmet ripped off, no flag. Harris was thrown to the ground three yards out of bounds, no flag. There was an illegal block in the back not called. Several holdings not called.
I don't have a problem with tight calls, just call it tight both ways. We got flag for late hit on qb and the kid still appears to be in bounds. Where was the flag for Harris?
Lsu's player gets his helmet ripped off, no flag. Harris was thrown to the ground three yards out of bounds, no flag. There was an illegal block in the back not called. Several holdings not called.
I don't have a problem with tight calls, just call it tight both ways. We got flag for late hit on qb and the kid still appears to be in bounds. Where was the flag for Harris?
Posted on 9/29/15 at 12:43 pm to George P Burdell
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I think that's the point. How many holds and PFs and PIs were called against Syracuse? I'm not saying the infractions didn't occur, but calling it so tightly against one team has a material bearing on the outcome of the football game.
SU had a personal foul early in the game for a late hit. Of LSU's 3 personal fouls, only one could be disputed (Jones). The other two were a facemask and the Neal play. A facemask is always a PF and the rule is the rule on the Neal play. So really, each team only had one "judgment" PF penalty.
LSU had two PI calls. Guess what? So did SU. One of them was an offensive PI which is called far less than defensive PI
LSU had TWO holding calls. You people act like they had 10
The bulk of LSU's penalties were pre-snap issues. Offsides/false starts/illegal formation. Are the officials not supposed to throw a flag when guys are moving a full second before the ball is snapped or the players aren't lined up correctly? SU had just as many illegal formation calls as LSU, 1.
This is nothing more than a perception issue because many of LSU's penalties have negated HUGE game changing plays (3 TD's, an INT, and other long gains).
Posted on 9/29/15 at 1:01 pm to Alt26
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This is nothing more than a perception issue because many of LSU's penalties have negated HUGH game changing plays.
I think most of LSU's penalties were the correct calls, not all of them though. I also think Syracuse got away with more stuff then LSU.
LSU: 14 penalties for 120 yards
Syracuse: 4 penalties for 36 yards
Seems fair.
This post was edited on 9/29/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/29/15 at 1:22 pm to Alt26
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Alt26
Fair enough. As I said, I truly do envy those who aren't bothered by the officiating. At about 11:05 on Saturday morning I shouted out "what the frick is Tom Ritter doing up there?" A couple hours later we had 14 penalties and the other team had four.
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