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re: Will someone who was at the game explain how when 3-3 on the slap back, how did

Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:18 am to
Posted by ValentiTiger
Prairieville
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:18 am to
My god you people have no clue about baseball. Deep fly to right, less than 2 outs and you're at second, you tag up.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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67592 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:19 am to
Why would you think they would pitch to deichman if the runner had broke from 3rd? Either way you have an open base and walk deichman
Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:20 am to
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Cain


Why doesn't Manieri coach 3rd???
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85136 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:20 am to
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He should have been half way to 3rd not tagging. That ball was smoked and a 50/50 fly out at best.



If you're talking about the ball to the wall in RF, everyone in the park thought that ball was going to be caught until it wasn't. The RF just got lazy at the end thinking he was near the wall. I can't blame Freeman there. I know the base running rules suggest you go half way with one out, but on a deep, routine fly to RF, you tag and get to 3rd and hope for a wild pitch.

Regardless, I think he could have scored had Cain sent him even after he tried to tag. I don't know why he was held up unless he slipped or something. The announcers said he got a late stop sign so who knows. I think Cain is gun shy after the SEC tourney.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:21 am to
My god you're a dumb frick. The ball hit the wall you dumb arse.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60542 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:21 am to
Then he wouldn't have anyone to blame.
Posted by ValentiTiger
Prairieville
Member since Aug 2008
665 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:22 am to
Yeah it did, but if you watch it again, the RF was set up to make the catch and should have caught it. Sorry you don't understand that
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:26 am to
if he gets thrown out at the plate, as long as fraley moves to 3rd base on the play, the only difference is you now have runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out, instead of 2nd and 3rd and 1 out.

depends on how you judge risk/reward. the right play is to make the ball go through the infield
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:27 am to
I wasn't there. From watching on tv that ball was anything but routine. I doubt the RF was playing deep...he looked shaky going back on the ball. Definitely shouldn't have been read as a sure out IMO. I realize it's better to be at 3rd than 2nd with 2 outs but early in the game you have to score on a double off the wall when on 2nd. I'm really shocked so many are defending it when we always bitch about our base running. The base running the op is bitching about was better than what I'm talking about.
Posted by YeahYeah
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:28 am to
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the only difference is you now have runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out, instead of 2nd and 3rd and 1 out.

You get 1st and 3rd with 1 out you have to try and steal 2nd to force them to draw the infield in.

You get that situation then the squeeze is most likely on
Posted by slackster
Houston
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85136 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:32 am to
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I'm really shocked so many are defending it when we always bitch about our base running.


My issue is that even if you're tagging, which I can understand, how do you not score? The ball hits the wall and the throw wasn't great. It will have to be cutoff to get you at the plate. Send Freeman.

Again, I think Cain was gun shy.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:33 am to
Sorry you don't understand it wasn't a guaranteed out...evidenced by the fact it was a double. Play half way we score...but defend tagging up when already in scoring position. Also dullantis probably gets a triple had freeman played it half way
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85136 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:35 am to
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if he gets thrown out at the plate, as long as fraley moves to 3rd base on the play, the only difference is you now have runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out, instead of 2nd and 3rd and 1 out.



You're insinuating he should have gone home immediately, and if he does, he gets hosed from the pitcher. Fraley was running from 1st base with a busted up knee. He isn't getting to third on a play from the pitcher to the catcher unless it is a run down.

The only way to guarantee a runner at 3rd with one out is for Duplantis to freeze. It just worked out shitty because the CC pitcher just tossed it to first without thinking much.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60542 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:38 am to
If the announcer doesn't say he should've scored, this topic doesn't exist. If he gets hosed at the plate with Deichman up, this site would've shut down.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85136 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:41 am to
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If the announcer doesn't say he should've scored, this topic doesn't exist. If he gets hosed at the plate with Deichman up, this site would've shut down.



I've got no qualms about the Duplantis play. He did exactly what you're supposed to do. The pitcher just ignored him so he could have gone on contact and possibly been safe, but you just cannot do that as the baserunner at 3rd with no outs.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60542 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:42 am to
best baseball poster IMO. Most level headed.
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
12192 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 12:53 am to
VT,you're not even talking about the play the op is referencing.
However, since you brought it up, the play you are talking about, you go halfway, and you EASILY score from 2nd on a damn double to the wall. Absolutely a base running error
Posted by ValentiTiger
Prairieville
Member since Aug 2008
665 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 4:32 am to
Yeah I know I'm not responding to the play in the OP, I'm responding to the person asking why we didn't score on a double to the wall.

You tag up on a fly ball behind you in that situation. You don't go half way. If it's a ball to left, you go half way or less. But behind you, it's tag up. If the RF catches the ball, and he's half way, you guys are screaming that he should have tagged up so he could be on 3rd with 2 outs. It's not as hard as you all make it out to be. Really simple baseball rules here haha
Posted by SmoothOperator96
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4044 posts
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:09 am to
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Your wrong

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