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Why does LSU have a "must have HC experience" requirement?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:26 pm
look at OU. Stoops had no HC experience. He retired and they hire Lincoln Riley.
It's a bad requirement that needlessly shuts out many good candidates. Believe it or not, Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh were once assistants.
It's a bad requirement that needlessly shuts out many good candidates. Believe it or not, Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh were once assistants.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Bruh.. left field
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
FWIW,I would give Aranda the gig before allowing him to go elsewhere at the same capacity
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:35 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:
Mike Archer
It's been 30 years lol
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:at least we seemed to have learned from that mistake
t's been 30 years lol
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Mike Archer wasn't a bad coach. His mistake was that he got it in his head that he couldn't win big with Louisiana talent. Passed on some great Louisiana's to sign out state guys who didn't pan out or got home sick and left.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:43 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
Mike Archer wasn't a bad coach.
I thought he was an awful HC
quote:
His mistake was that he got it in his head
I think he was in way over his head, period
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well. he's the last one with no HC experience.
Dietzel (LSU 1st HC job)
McClendon (LSU 1st HC job)
Bo Rein (2nd HC)
Stovall (LSU 1st HC job)
Arnsparger (LSU 1st college HC job)
Mike Archer (LSU 1st HC job)
Hallman (2nd HC)
DiNardo (2nd HC)
Nick Saban (3rd HC)
Miles (2nd HC)
Orgeron (2nd HC)
Dietzel (LSU 1st HC job)
McClendon (LSU 1st HC job)
Bo Rein (2nd HC)
Stovall (LSU 1st HC job)
Arnsparger (LSU 1st college HC job)
Mike Archer (LSU 1st HC job)
Hallman (2nd HC)
DiNardo (2nd HC)
Nick Saban (3rd HC)
Miles (2nd HC)
Orgeron (2nd HC)
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Risk aversion. People want to know you've had at least some success running the entire show, not just one side of the ball.
Don't forget, OU also had Gibbs and Blake.
Don't forget, OU also had Gibbs and Blake.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:51 pm to FightinTiga
If someone offered Arranda and you were AD, you'd fire Orgeron and make Arranda HC just to keep him? That's a special kind of stupid. Pellini was one of the best DC's we have had but he didn't make a great HC. Arranda has coached one season here and you wanna make him HC???
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I'll tell you what if O fails, which I hope he doesn't, but if I were LSU, I would be keeping a close eye on Minnesota. I liked Fleck but many here were saying he hasn't coached at a big time program. I watched the ESPN feature "Being PJ Fleck" and he seems like a damn good up and coming coach. I'll be interested to see what he does there at Minnesota. If he takes that team to the top of the Big10, and it coincides with LSU needing a HC I would seriously consider that guy. I would hate to lose Aranda AND Canada if he takes this offense where I think he will.
If you have time check it out:
LINK /
If you have time check it out:
LINK /
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 1:56 pm to BayouBengal99
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seems like a damn good up and coming coach.
that used to be sort of what watch search parties were looking for when replacing a hc, but now with all of the booster money, and the era of instant gratification, schools just try to bring in a name and just open up the check book and get down on their knees and go straight for the zipper of the new hc
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:04 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:
Dietzel (LSU 1st HC job)
McClendon (LSU 1st HC job)
Bo Rein (2nd HC)
Stovall (LSU 1st HC job)
Arnsparger (LSU 1st college HC job)
Mike Archer (LSU 1st HC job)
Hallman (2nd HC)
DiNardo (2nd HC)
Nick Saban (3rd HC)
Miles (2nd HC)
Orgeron (2nd HC)
I think that list tells a compelling story.
McClendon and Archer were both "continuity hires". Both were hired from within to try to maintain staff continuity and to sustain the ongoing success. At the time, those weren't overly risky hires, given the players, staffs, systems, and relationships already in place.
Stovall was a major anomaly. He stepped in to fill a huge void due to Bo Rein's untimely death. It was a situation where an alum was quickly hired under some very unfortunate timing (like Mike Shula's hiring at Bama), much more so than him being the result of a true search process. Again, this indicates a high level of risk aversion ("keep it in the family").
Bill Arnsparger had been an NFL head coach, and a long-time assistant at the NFL and college level. He was hardly a "gamble hire" with no track record of running a team as a HC.
I think all of the people on that list show an extreme amount of risk aversion at LSU, and that pattern has been sustained over many years and across many different leaders. It's almost institutional, more so than any particular individual. You have to go all the way back to Dietzel to see a hire of someone without HC experience resulting from a normal search process.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:08 pm to 777Tiger
Well if he does have great success there he would most certainly be worth much more then what we could have gotten him for this go round. So we would basically have to do just that lol.
I've been checking out old videos of Les Miles first years here while Jimbo was OC. It's no wonder why he had so much success his first (2) years. That offense was at least somewhat versital and imaginative. I don't think it's a coincidence that after Jimbo left, and LSUs QB situation wound up with young QBs, is when LSU went on a downward trend. Les didn't see Perrilloux getting into his troubles but I now believe that if Les would have brought in a known QB coach, who works well with young QBs, that LSU would have been much more successful in 2008 & 2009.
Basically what I'm saying is that your coordinators make a huge difference to a teams success, and it's how those coordinators fit your current roster which makes the success go IMHO.
I just feel like the Canada hire fits what we need at this time so we will make the most out of this season. Hopefully these guys stick around to win a championship or two, let's change this darn trend. CFB and especially the SEC just isn't the same without LSU on top. GT
I've been checking out old videos of Les Miles first years here while Jimbo was OC. It's no wonder why he had so much success his first (2) years. That offense was at least somewhat versital and imaginative. I don't think it's a coincidence that after Jimbo left, and LSUs QB situation wound up with young QBs, is when LSU went on a downward trend. Les didn't see Perrilloux getting into his troubles but I now believe that if Les would have brought in a known QB coach, who works well with young QBs, that LSU would have been much more successful in 2008 & 2009.
Basically what I'm saying is that your coordinators make a huge difference to a teams success, and it's how those coordinators fit your current roster which makes the success go IMHO.
I just feel like the Canada hire fits what we need at this time so we will make the most out of this season. Hopefully these guys stick around to win a championship or two, let's change this darn trend. CFB and especially the SEC just isn't the same without LSU on top. GT
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:35 pm to Clark W Griswold
quote:
If someone offered Arranda and you were AD, you'd fire Orgeron and make Arranda HC just to keep him? That's a special kind of stupid. Pellini was one of the best DC's we have had but he didn't make a great HC
Wtf
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
My feelings are places like LSU isnt a place where you learn how to be a head coach. I want a guy that has had the responsibility of an entire program on his shoulders before. The step up in responsibility from a coordinator to a head coach is huge. I just want a guy that has done it before. Some people might not feel that way and that is fine but that's how I feel.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 2:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
can't even respond to the dumb in this post
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