Started By
Message

Why do people think that passing the football is the key?

Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:10 am
Posted by whitetiger1234
They/Them
Member since Oct 2016
4889 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:10 am
I don't get it. You HAVE to run the ball to establish the passing game. Especially when you don't have an absolute stud at QB. People think that if we start passing the ball all game that we will magically become more successful.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 10:12 am
Posted by BlackPot
Member since Oct 2016
2064 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:11 am to
And you HAVE to pass to establish a run game.
Posted by X Carter Is Fast
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Jun 2006
1665 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:14 am to
That is not true. Pretty sure a running game has been established very well the past threee years without a passing game
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
65497 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:15 am to
i dont understand it either. they should be more worried about that big white boy tim tebow clone at qb for moo state.
Posted by BDJ
Texas
Member since Jul 2016
2135 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:16 am to
ROFL! How far did this get us? Any chips? How far did this get us against Bama? If we cannot pass and keep them honest, Guice will do no better than Fournette did.
We are like the Cavs man. The only team worth preparing for is Golden State. You have to build a team to beat them. Its no different than us with Alabama.

We have to be able to pass the ball, period. Come out and hit bama with 2-3 solid play action plays for medium to big gains and there is no more 8-9 in the box.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 10:17 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260681 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:18 am to
It's key if you need to score points quickly. There's a half dozen games over the past 6 years or so that it could have helped

It's also kind of important to spread the field
Posted by SUB
Member since Jan 2001
Member since Jan 2009
20865 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:19 am to
It's more about a balanced attack being needed. We haven't had that for a while. We already have, and have had, a good running game for a long time, and it by itself can only get us so far. Have you watched the Bama games of the last 5 years, especially the last 2 with probably the best RB in LSU history? We had great backs that had their worst games of the season because teams like Bama can stop the run. If we don't have a passing game, then beating them is nearly impossible unless our defense can stop them every time.
Posted by NWLA Tiguh12
Member since Jul 2015
2402 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:21 am to
Passing the football is key in getting us to the next level. You can't be one dimensional.
Posted by whitetiger1234
They/Them
Member since Oct 2016
4889 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:22 am to
I understand the need to pass, but we cannot just step on to the field and throw the ball and do nothing else. We need a BALANCED attack. Obviously throwing the ball is important when needed.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
21007 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:22 am to
Because only teams that beat Bama have a passing game that can force those big LBs and DL men to tire out because they are running so much. Pro set I formation teams do not beat Bama under Nick Saban all that often.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 10:23 am
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:22 am to
This is almost as dumb as the clown bitching about us running the ball too much against a mediocre to bad BYU team and an FCS team.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30324 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:26 am to
quote:

You HAVE to run the ball to establish the passing game


Kind of depends on the teams strengths and weaknesses, but for LSU this has been what we are constructed for.
quote:

Especially when you don't have an absolute stud at QB.


I'm not convinced this is correct, but I would agree if you instead said when you have average to mediocre QB play.

quote:

People think that if we start passing the ball all game that we will magically become more successful.





I don't think many people think that and certainly not a reasonable people.

Back to the original question
quote:

Why do people think that passing the football is the key?

people think this because the lack of consistently good (not great, just the good side of average) has been a large part of the reason LSU has not been able to get over the hump in recent years.

Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
4909 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:26 am to
quote:

ROFL! How far did this get us? Any chips?


When's the last time an air raid offense won one?
Posted by ChunkyLover54
Member since Apr 2015
6529 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:27 am to
Balance and predictability. We've won most of our games by outmuscling opponents but can't do that to everyone.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17893 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:29 am to
quote:

When's the last time an air raid offense won one?
I love it when people talk in extremes to support their side of the argument. Apparently, there is now no area on the spectrum between "ground and pound" and "air raid". Sheesh.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422585 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:29 am to
you need the pass to set up the run in modern CFB

we have to play bama every year. trying to establish the run first will not work against Bama, and we have to have a passing game to allow a consistent and dangerous rushing attack. smashmouth alone does not work. learn the lesson of 2011

Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
47135 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:29 am to
Because our inability to be consistently average in the passing game has cost us a shiltoad of games since 2013.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9123 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:31 am to
I think people know that we can and must do both with a great mix to keep one or the other most effective.

In a game like we are about to play this week, I would create a short pass game to take the pressure off of the run to start, then work into the run game, knowing how aggressive State will be against the run. I might even start the game with a nice fake to Guice and hit them with a deep out or dig route, right on time.

The point is to keep the other team, hell bent on stopping your run game, from feeling so confident in what you're actually trying to do. Break tendencies so that what they saw on tape is completely different then what they actually get in the game. It's pretty simple if you ask me. You must do both BUT be smart about both as well. GT
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9583 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Because only teams that beat Bama have a passing game that can force those big LBs and DL men to tire out because they are running so much. Pro set I formation teams do not beat Bama under Nick Saban all that often.



correct sir...

i find it funny that idiots say you have to run to set up the pass... either can setup either.. its not a rule one way or the other.. you try to find the best matchups and you exploit them. you find their weaknesses and you attack them.. or a combination of such.. variety is the spice of life.. and football as well.. I love it that we run so many different things.
Posted by ROPO
Member since Jul 2016
3098 posts
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:41 am to
Bama doesn't lose much but if we want to win the SEC, we have to beat them. The last four teams to do so all passed for 405, 341, 251 and 243 and threw 4, 3, 3 and 2 TD passes.

You have to go back to the miracle at the Iron Bowl in 2013 to find someone who beat Bama with less than 240 yards passing. And even then, Auburn threw 2 TD passes.

The last seven national champions all averaged at least 214 yards per game passing, with two of them averaging > 300 yards per game (Clemson 16 and FSU 13).

In contrast, only one LSU team averaged > 214 yards per game and that was 2013 with Mett, OBJ and Landry. That team averaged 251. Was that 2013 offense not our most successful over the past 7 years? Do you not agree that if we had that offensive production (remember Hill rushed for 1,000 yards too) with our 2016 defense that we would have toppled Bama finally and made the playoffs?

No one is begging for air raid. We want to see an offense that is capable of winning by running or by throwing. We haven't seen that in a long time. And we haven't beaten Bama or sniffed a major bowl/playoffs in five years.

This really isn't hard to comprehend
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 3Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram