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Who was first? Clemson/LSU?
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:27 pm
Who played "Hold that Tiger" first? Who named their field "Death Valley" first? I really wanna know, please don't just give me the standard homer answer. Does anyone have dates?
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:29 pm to swayzedaysofsummer
Clemson. We got most of our stuff from them.
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:39 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Clemson. We got most of our stuff from them.
true
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:40 pm to wizziko
hey wizziko,you know what the title to the southpark episode you're showing is?
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:42 pm to lsuougel
I know "With Apologies to Jesse Jackson" Funny moments, bad episode
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:53 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Clemson. We got most of our stuff from them.
Really? The term Death Valley goes back in time for Tiger Stadium as well. Tiger Rag was a standard tune by the jazz community in New Orleans before 1917. Since New Orleans is in Louisiana, it was our song first so screw Clemson.
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:55 pm to los angeles tiger
LSU is Death Valley
Clemson is Deaf Valley
Clemson is Deaf Valley
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:57 pm to whalebone
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LSU is Death Valley
Clemson is Deaf Valley
backwards
Posted on 11/20/08 at 9:58 pm to whalebone
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LSU is Death Valley
Clemson is Deaf Valley
COMPLETELY WRONG
LSU was originally Deaf Valley because it was so loud.
Clemson has always been Death Valley due to the famous rock they have that is from Death Valley, California.
Posted on 11/20/08 at 10:01 pm to LSUSportsR4me
sorry I knew the difference and if sober would have gotten it right
Posted on 11/21/08 at 12:02 am to whalebone
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sorry I knew the difference and if sober would have gotten it right
Fair enough, drunkass
Posted on 11/21/08 at 12:13 am to LSUSportsR4me
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Clemson has always been Death Valley due to the famous rock they have that is from Death Valley, California.
Define "always"...
Per Wiki:
Frank Howard Field at Memorial Stadium, popularly known as Death Valley, is home to the Clemson University Tigers, a NCAA Division I-A football team located in Clemson, South Carolina. Currently, the stadium is the second largest in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Built in 1941-1942, the stadium has been expanded throughout the years, with the most recent expansion, the WestZone, begun in 2004.
Death Valley
The term "Death Valley" comes from the fact that the field is physically situated in a valley. But two additional facts also add to the mystique. First, the university cemetery sits on a hill that once overlooked the field before the upper decks were constructed. The other reference comes from the late Lonnie McMillian, the former football coach at Presbyterian College. He told sports writers in 1948 that he had "to take his team up to Clemson and play in death valley" where they rarely scored or gained a victory. The nickname stuck to an extent, but when Clemson Head Coach Frank Howard started calling it that in the 1950s, the nickname really caught on.
"Howard's Rock"
In the early 1960s, the rock was given to then head coach Frank Howard by a friend, Samuel Columbus Jones, (Clemson Class of 1919). It was presented to Howard by Jones, saying "Here's you a rock coming from Death Valley, California, to Death Valley, South Carolina." Howard didn't think anything else about the rock and it was used as a door stop in his office for several years. In September 1966, while cleaning out his office, Howard noticed the rock and told IPTAY executive director Gene Willimon, "Take this rock and throw it over the fence or out in the ditch...do something with it, but get it out of my office." Willimon had the rock placed on a pedestal at the top of the east endzone hill that the team ran down to enter the field for games. On September 24, 1966, the first time Clemson players ran by the rock, they beat conference rival Virginia, 40-35. Howard, seizing on the motivational potential of "The Rock", told his players, "Give me 110% or keep your filthy hands off of my rock." The team started rubbing the Rock for the first game of 1967, which was a 23-6 waxing of ACC foe Wake Forest.
Posted on 11/21/08 at 12:46 am to GarmischTiger
LSU the real Tigers, named after Civil War unit. Tiger picture on LSU football helmet also Louisiana Civil War medal, should be patented; otherwise slime ball saben would steal it!
The real Tigers in America are LSU and of course Mike the Tiger the real McCoy!.
The real Tigers in America are LSU and of course Mike the Tiger the real McCoy!.
This post was edited on 11/21/08 at 12:50 am
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:01 am to swayzedaysofsummer
Clemson, we got all our cool stuff from "swayze."
You're a douche
You're a douche
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:07 am to genuineLSUtiger
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Clemson. We got most of our stuff from them.
Delete your account and go the frick away. You are mistaken.
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LSU the real Tigers, named after Civil War unit.
Very true, the "Louisiana Tigers" who wore distinctive striped pants because they wanted to be recognized in battle, were known for their tenacity and fighting prowess. This name was once again adopted by Claire Chennault who led the "Flying Tigers" prior and subsequent to America's official entrance into WW2.
As stated above, Clemson is the real "Death Valley," but the playing of "Tiger Rag" is clearly attributed to LSU. LAT is correct. The song originated in New Orleans in 1917 and was played during LSU football games LOOOOOOONG before it was ever played at Clemson, which first started playing the song in 1942.
So to recap: Death Valley - Clemson (I call our stadium Tiger Stadium and have never called it Death Valley anyway)
Tiger Rag - MOST CERTAINLY belongs to LSU.
I can't believe more of you don't know this shite.
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:39 am to LSUshad
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Geaux hold your breath for 10 minutes. There is ONE DV.
Sorry little one. "Death Valley" is a media concoction as far as LSU goes. Who knows? They probably wanted to make it look like all southern teams had the same nicknames, songs and other traditions.
Clemson's claim to that name is well documented. Our claim to Tiger Rag is well documented as well, as is the historic basis for using the name "Tigers."
Personally, I could care less whether or not we ever call the place Death Valley again, as it is a relatively modern practice. Tiger Stadium is just fine with me.
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:40 am to LSUshad
First Death Valley was an old eastern school, which was by 1914.
That is near 33 years befor Celmson.
First to use "Tiger Rag" LSU, it was in use at LSU before 1920.
Tiger Rag was copyrighted in 1917, but had been played in New Orleans long before that, and was one of the most popular songs when the Original Dixieland Jass Band recorded it.
Some say that Tiger Rag was being played in N.O. as early as 1914.
Clemson did not use Tiger Rag as its fight song until 1942, about 22 years after LSU.
That is near 33 years befor Celmson.
First to use "Tiger Rag" LSU, it was in use at LSU before 1920.
Tiger Rag was copyrighted in 1917, but had been played in New Orleans long before that, and was one of the most popular songs when the Original Dixieland Jass Band recorded it.
Some say that Tiger Rag was being played in N.O. as early as 1914.
Clemson did not use Tiger Rag as its fight song until 1942, about 22 years after LSU.
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:10 am to blueboy
Sorry douche. The actual "death valley" was found in 1906 out west, while LSU was founded in 1811. Death Valley in B.R. came along one year after in 1812.
So geaux eat your words and stay true to your "school." Benedict Tiger.
So geaux eat your words and stay true to your "school." Benedict Tiger.
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:29 am to blueboy
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So to recap: Death Valley - Clemson (I call our stadium Tiger Stadium and have never called it Death Valley anyway)
Tiger Rag - MOST CERTAINLY belongs to LSU.
I can't believe more of you don't know this shite.
When I was a student, the Daily Reveille a "newspaper" as we used to call it, published all kinds of tidbits like this. Remembering is hard.
Common points:
Tigers (most common mascot in sports), but ours has a historical basis
The Tiger Rag - Clemson possibly stole it. However, it could have been that they were looking for band music with the word "Tiger" in the name. However, clearly a Louisiana connection, and LSU definitely didn't steal it. (Possibly related - I do know that LSU wanted to secure the music from the Lucille Ball song, "Hey, look me over" - from the Broadway musical "Wildcat", bought the rights to the song. Maybe it was for cost, but I believe it was in order to ensure that we had an original, uncopyable song. You all know it best as the music from "Hey, Fighting Tigers")
"Death Valley" - which I generally refuse to refer to Tiger Stadium as "Death Valley" as well. However, when the banner was up it was hard to ignore that we were stealing from Clemson. However, it may have been innocent enough. The playing surface does look like a "valley".
Those are the three that I can think of off the top of my head. However, based on these three, to toss about theft allegations about either school is spurious at best.
This post was edited on 11/21/08 at 2:39 am
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