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Who Thinks Jimbo is a good offensive coach?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:07 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:07 am
In my opinion. No question. However, everyone calling for Cam's head needs to understand something. Look at Jimbo's offense when he had Marcus Randal, Xavier Lee, Drew Weatherford, and now E.G., It's not all that good. It's fantastic with Winston, Jamarcus, Davey, etc.
you can say the same thing about Meyer when has tebow, smith, and barrett. Not so good with Brantley.
Dan mullens offense stunk before dak.
Atm looks great under Johnny football, not so good since.
My point. It's been a long time, since jimbo really, since we have had a guy that could recruit and evaluate qb's. Cam appears to be the best since Jimbo. His first guy is harris. Harris has improved a great deal from year one to two. The best we've had since mett then Flynn. We have a guy redshirting, we have a stud coming in franks, we have another stud lined up two years from now. For the first time in years there is a plan and stability with qb's.
If you get rid of cam this year, you screw that up. we go back to square one. You lose franks to florida. You will face him year after year and wish you had him. harris will be a jr. for the next guy. Which in turn, les is probably gone the next. therefore, your entire future rest with the redshirt. it will take two to three years to secure and develop another quality qb.
The only way you really want cam gone this year is if miles himself is gone. If you want to start over, start the entire damn thing over. Cam isn't the issue and getting rid of him, only, is the biggest screw up this program can make.
I believe cam is a good o.c., he's proved it at all levels, just two years ago we had a dynamic offense. his hands have been tied by the h.c. and talent he inherited. If you want him gone, give him another year then let him go. At least we have three quality qb's for the next guy to work with at that point.
If you want heads to roll, request the head guy, steele, bdp, ball, Steve E. But Not Cam. At this point, he is the most valuable asset we have for the future of the program next to ogeron, Raymond, and Wilson.
you can say the same thing about Meyer when has tebow, smith, and barrett. Not so good with Brantley.
Dan mullens offense stunk before dak.
Atm looks great under Johnny football, not so good since.
My point. It's been a long time, since jimbo really, since we have had a guy that could recruit and evaluate qb's. Cam appears to be the best since Jimbo. His first guy is harris. Harris has improved a great deal from year one to two. The best we've had since mett then Flynn. We have a guy redshirting, we have a stud coming in franks, we have another stud lined up two years from now. For the first time in years there is a plan and stability with qb's.
If you get rid of cam this year, you screw that up. we go back to square one. You lose franks to florida. You will face him year after year and wish you had him. harris will be a jr. for the next guy. Which in turn, les is probably gone the next. therefore, your entire future rest with the redshirt. it will take two to three years to secure and develop another quality qb.
The only way you really want cam gone this year is if miles himself is gone. If you want to start over, start the entire damn thing over. Cam isn't the issue and getting rid of him, only, is the biggest screw up this program can make.
I believe cam is a good o.c., he's proved it at all levels, just two years ago we had a dynamic offense. his hands have been tied by the h.c. and talent he inherited. If you want him gone, give him another year then let him go. At least we have three quality qb's for the next guy to work with at that point.
If you want heads to roll, request the head guy, steele, bdp, ball, Steve E. But Not Cam. At this point, he is the most valuable asset we have for the future of the program next to ogeron, Raymond, and Wilson.
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:12 am to dos crystal
i wouldnt necessarily put cam above crowton
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:14 am to dos crystal
Cam isn't worth the cash we're giving him and I don't think he'll take the pay cut to return. I'm convinced he's gone after this season.
Jimbo is the best developer of pro style QBs in college football. There is no debate.
Jimbo is the best developer of pro style QBs in college football. There is no debate.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 11:15 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:16 am to higgins
I think what you are saying is good and smart, with one flaw. While those offenses weren't great with lesser players, they still ran the same offense, the players were just not as good at producing on the field. Jimbo runs his offense no matter who is out there. He expects his QBs to learn it and if they can't, see the Mcguire and Golsen saga this year, then he finds someone who can, see RS freshman Winston starting over Coker.
Just to clarify, the Miles offense we have been running for 10 years is not good.
Just to clarify, the Miles offense we have been running for 10 years is not good.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:18 am to BilJ
He gets em drafted then they suck
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:20 am to jknight13
Les is not leaving
Cam is not leaving
Enough of that talk
Cam is not leaving
Enough of that talk
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:21 am to gatortrav88
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He gets em drafted then they suck
I'll take that
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:22 am to dos crystal
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when he had Marcus Randal
Still just as productive as most Les Miles years.
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Xavier Lee, Drew Weatherford,
Did not recruit/develop these players.
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and now E.G.,
Gholson was a transfer...and the offense looks to be above average in most categories.
Out of 129 teams in Div 1, ranks on the left side.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:22 am to BilJ
i really don't care how they perform after the draft.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:22 am to dos crystal
He develops QB better than anyone else in college football. Hell he made Marcus Randall serviceable.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:23 am to gatortrav88
Scheme wise, I love what Jimbo does on offense. It's basically a pro style offense being run out of the Shotgun. He can use an H back and bring him in the I form to generate a power run when needed. Overall it is very multiple.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:29 am to dos crystal
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Cam appears to be the best since Jimbo. His first guy is harris. Harris has improved a great deal from year one to two.
Meh. Harris doesn't look appreciably better than Jennings. Certainly the offense doesn't flow any better. It's the same offense we have had here from an execution, rhythm and philosophy standpoint. Sure, some differences in formations and plays, but the offense isn't allowed to breathe and that is the common theme from one OC to the next.
And people talk about Mett without mentioning his first year. Mett was Jordan Jefferson 2.0 his first year without the ability to run. It was awful. The only explanation for his second year is Miles making a conscious decision to open up the offense because he knew his defense was bad.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:30 am to dos crystal
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you can say the same thing about Meyer when has tebow, smith, and barrett. Not so good with Brantley.
Okay, but no one would be railing on Les if it was one QB that didn't succeed. Its the fact that most years the position looks inept. I think Meyer's mistake was recruiting a pocket QB to play a spread option, just like Les Miles' mistake is recruiting spread QB's to play power-I and take snaps under center.
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Dan mullens offense stunk before dak
He's a Miss St......they were completely devoid of talent. Apples to oranges to compare them to LSU.
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Atm looks great under Johnny football, not so good since
No one disputes the Johnny drop off, but even A&M tries to play ball, and doesn't play scared. LSU has much better RB's than A&M, and it should help the passing game. A&M is going through an adjustment period. Time will tell.
Most people are not using A&M as a great example to follow FWIW.
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Cam appears to be the best since Jimbo. His first guy is harris. Harris has improved a great deal from year one to two. The best we've had since mett then Flynn. We have a guy redshirting, we have a stud coming in franks, we have another stud lined up two years from now. For the first time in years there is a plan and stability with qb's.
I think you're right. I think 80% of LSU fans do not truly think Cam is to blame. I don't think Cam would have ever had a job in the NFL, much less have become an NFL HC if was stubborn as Miles about offensive philosophy.
I thought Cam being Miles' good friend would be a perfect situation that would finally allow Miles to just step away from the offense. Its much of the same thing. I just can't imagine all the coaches in the athletic department for the football team are that ignorant of whats going on in the rest of the nation. LSU can almost do any offense it wants with the personnel it has.
They try to run the offense that is hardest on the OL, and unless the OL is a bunch of complete studs, then they'll have issues.
They need to run an offense that gets rid of the ball quick, so the OL doesn't have to sustain blocks as long, and they dont get as fatigued/injured during the course of the game.
If you continue to smash smash smash and ask them to maintain blocks for long, extended periods of time, then as the game goes along...of course they'll look bad and tired, especially when theyre going against a team like Alabama with as much depth as they have...
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:30 am to dos crystal
FSU in Total Offense since 2012:
2012: 471 ypg
2013: 519 ypg
2014: 441 ypg
2015: 436 ypg
LSU in Total Offense since 2012:
2012: 374 ypg
2013: 453 ypg
2014: 388 ypg
2015: 420 ypg
FSU average since 2012: 466.75
LSU average since 2012: 408.75
FSU in Scoring Offense since 2012:
2012: 39 ppg
2013: 52 ppg
2014: 34 ppg
2015: 31 ppg
LSU in Scoring Offense since 2012:
2012: 30 ppg
2013: 36 ppg
2014: 28 ppg
2015: 33 ppg
FSU average since 2012: 39 ppg
LSU average since 2012: 31.75 ppg
2012: 471 ypg
2013: 519 ypg
2014: 441 ypg
2015: 436 ypg
LSU in Total Offense since 2012:
2012: 374 ypg
2013: 453 ypg
2014: 388 ypg
2015: 420 ypg
FSU average since 2012: 466.75
LSU average since 2012: 408.75
FSU in Scoring Offense since 2012:
2012: 39 ppg
2013: 52 ppg
2014: 34 ppg
2015: 31 ppg
LSU in Scoring Offense since 2012:
2012: 30 ppg
2013: 36 ppg
2014: 28 ppg
2015: 33 ppg
FSU average since 2012: 39 ppg
LSU average since 2012: 31.75 ppg
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:32 am to higgins
quote:
wouldnt necessarily put cam above crowton
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:38 am to dos crystal
quote:
The only way you really want cam gone this year is if miles himself is gone. If you want to start over, start the entire damn thing over. Cam isn't the issue and getting rid of him, only, is the biggest screw up this program can m
Your point would be well received if the majority thought that miles could keep it together long enough to let Cam do his thing.
The problem is, Miles has squandered piles and piles of talent that a top flight coach could do way, way more with. So keeping Cam means keeping miles. That won't happen.
Miles had ten years to:
Recruit his guys for his system
Hire coaches for his system
Develop that talent or,
Develop a gameplan for the talent he has
Make that talent execute
Motivate that talent AND coaches to succeed for him.
It all sounds cruel. Miles is a good coach and an awesome guy. But time is up.
He wasnt on the hot seat, but everyone knew that the seat was soaked in lighter fluid.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:38 am to Mohican
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The only explanation for his second year is Miles making a conscious decision to open up the offense because he knew his defense was bad.
I'm not a big fan of Cam, but the explanation for Mett's improvement from his Jr to Sr year was going from Stud to Cam as OC. It's that simple. And the blossoming of OBJ and Jarvis Landry.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:40 am to tiggerthetooth
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Xavier Lee, Drew Weatherford, Did not recruit/develop these players. quote:and now E.G., Gholson was a transfer...and the offense looks to be above average in most categories.
thank you for making my point. Cam didn't recruit Jennings. His first qb is Harris. who has he developed? Grbac, Randal el, brees, rivers, flaco, mett, and harris is in progress. It's not like he's a failure at qb development. He's the guru. George whitfield wouldn't be George whitfield w/o cam.
I say keep him one more year. he's not the problem.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:50 am to tiggerthetooth
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Still just as productive as most Les Miles years.
2002 was the worst scoring offense between 2000 and 2014. 2004 was rt in line with 14. So no, you are completely wrong.
Two of the worst scoring offense in the Saban Miles era belongs to Jimbo Fisher.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:57 am to dos crystal
Some of you either have bad memories or are just too young to recall. If you think Cam's offense is predictable, go back and check Jimbo's. Ever fan from age 3 to 93 knew what was coming and when it was coming. It was frustrating and overly conservative when more was needed. This wasn't just during the Miles tenure, but Saban's as well.
The only constant around here is fans are always ready for the current guy to leave and next guy to be the hero. Then once they get their wish, it starts all over again.
The only constant around here is fans are always ready for the current guy to leave and next guy to be the hero. Then once they get their wish, it starts all over again.
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