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re: Was 2019 LSU Offense schematically the best ever?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:57 pm to BlackAngus
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:57 pm to BlackAngus
Why do people get on here and downplay scheme, game planning and trying to out x and o the opposition? When 2 teams are close in talent, the aforementioned is the deciding factor the majority of the time. Players sometimes, in spite of all other factors, do just make plays to win games.
Good coaching and equal talent won’t allow for players to be wide open on every play but well designed and timed plays do just that.
It takes both coaching and talent to be a championship team. Coaches scheme and game plan. Players execute those.
Good coaching and equal talent won’t allow for players to be wide open on every play but well designed and timed plays do just that.
It takes both coaching and talent to be a championship team. Coaches scheme and game plan. Players execute those.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 2:01 pm to Penrod
Oh bull shite. Joe Brady is being mentioned about being a HC. You do realize the NFL has equal amounts of talent to go against the offenses right? We don’t win a title last year without Joe Brady period.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 2:38 pm to des4271
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Why do people get on here and downplay scheme, game planning and trying to out x and o the opposition? When 2 teams are close in talent, the aforementioned is the deciding factor the majority of the time.
I think you might have answered your own question. Since college football doesn’t have the roster controls that exist in the NFL, college teams are very rarely close in talent.
Obviously it gets closer when you get into CFP games. But even then, there is often a significant disparity. I think when we look back on 2019 after all of the players have moved on, we will see that Alabama was the only team on LSU’s schedule with equal talent among starters. In fact, I would say that there’s much more parity among the schematic abilities of power 5 coaches than there is among the talent on power 5 rosters.
And then even when teams are equally matched in college, it’s often individual players’ mistakes and/or efforts that make the difference. See: Tua fumbling the Heisman Trophy, or CEH willing himself to the first down market.
Scheme matters and I don’t believe LSU goes 15-0 last year with the same players and a Cam Cameron offense. But if LSU has the same coaching staff with Kentucky’s roster, they don’t even come close. The ability to evaluate, recruit, and develop talent is the key to success in college.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:35 pm to lostinbr
Well, I agree and stated it takes both ( coaches game plan and players execute )It’s absurd for people to think it’s solely because of talent why teams dominate and equally as absurd to think it’s all coaching.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:19 pm to BlackAngus
The 2019 LSU Offense was the NCAA's version of what the Chiefs have done over the last year and a half. No matter what happened in the game, the offense was going to score and win it for you.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:23 pm to BlackAngus
You would think LSU fans above all others would know that you can hve all the talent in the world and not have an offense because of the scheme.
If you really think an off-season of experience is the only difference between 2018 and 2019
You’re functionally retarded.
If you really think an off-season of experience is the only difference between 2018 and 2019
You’re functionally retarded.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:41 pm to BlackAngus
Multiple opposing coaches noted that LSU's ability to run multiple formations without changing personnel was a matchup nightmare.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:45 pm to TigerinSC
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The most underrated piece of that entire offense however was Clyde. It cannot be stated enough how his big play ability and 3rd down capability changed the dynamics of that offense entirely.
There were three weapons we could always rely on for tough situations. The first got us going against Bama and Clemson, and that was the mismatch Chase presented with even the best corners in football. The second, as you point out, was Clyde - both on the rpo and the safety valve passes, Clyde was a dagger. Last was when all else failed, Burrow would take off and run. He put the coup de grace in Bama with that.
Of course Jefferson was big; who could forget that 3rd and 17 against Texas? And Moss was enough to punish teams who concentrated on our other weapons. But it was those triple killings that held even the best teams at arms distance so that no team ever had the ball in the fourth quarter with a chance to tie, or take the lead, except Florida, which behind seven, briefly had the ball very early in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:48 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Joe even said himself when he got the playbook about how he was excited about the route and offensive concepts they would run.
It was absolutely a style that better fitted the typical talent LSU gets. But lots of teams were running schemes that were the equal of ours. No team had our talent except Bama, and Joe over Tua and Chase over everyone was the difference.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:49 pm to TheBear60
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I agree 2019 was the perfect storm of talent, but when you go back to look, notice how often we had someone, usually Jefferson, cutting across the middle of the field in Joe's face, usually just pass the first down marker.
Yep, just like in 2020.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:18 pm to Penrod
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There were three weapons we could always rely on for tough situations. The first got us going against Bama and Clemson, and that was the mismatch Chase presented with even the best corners in football. The second, as you point out, was Clyde - both on the rpo and the safety valve passes, Clyde was a dagger. Last was when all else failed, Burrow would take off and run. He put the coup de grace in Bama with that.
Everyone always used to talk about how good LSU would be if we spread the offense out with our talent. We’ve finally seen it.
But even then, is there a group of past LSU skill players that could have created the matchup problems we saw last year? The obvious comp would be 2013 with Mettenberger, OBJ, Jarvis, and Jeremy Hill. But was that group better than 2019? Burrow is obviously the better QB. Clyde has had a more productive rookie season in the NFL (albeit on a much better team). Jefferson and OBJ both made the pro bowl their rookie season in the NFL. Chase will be a first round pick and might be the best WR of all of them.
And that’s without mentioning Marshall, who will likely be a first or second round pick depending on his combine performance, or Thad Moss.
I really believe 2019 will go down as the best group of skill players in LSU history. Not just in terms of production because that’s obvious - but in terms of their raw talent/potential.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:51 pm to MetArl15
The play calling and red zone calls were outstanding. Also, that was the first year LSU came out 100% spread.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:34 pm to BlackAngus
Schematically yes it’s Probly the best design the colllege level has seen. Remember this offense was derived from the top passing game in NFL history along with other parts in the run game from that same offense. There’s a reason those same players didn’t put up half the production the season before. That’s not to downplay the players, they were a special group but the biggest difference was the scheme.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:38 pm to TigerinSC
Clyde spun or jumped out of so many completely unblocked filled holes that he, along with Burrow pocket feel and elusiveness, actually gave that very average Oline play an award for best Oline in college football. That alone should tell you how much the people that give awards pay attention to actual football.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:45 pm to BlackAngus
It was a perfect match of scheme and talent.
I think even with the 2018 playbook this group would have done very well.
I think even with the 2018 playbook this group would have done very well.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:54 pm to whatiknowsofar
Damn did someone shite in your cheerios today or what?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 7:25 pm to BlackAngus
It was everything. The coaches, players, chemistry, everything just came together perfectly. The scheme was great on paper, but it was actually great because of the personnel who ran it.
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