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re: Tyrann Mathieu contemplated suicide while behind bars.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:21 am to lsu2006
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:21 am to lsu2006
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I didn't mean to derail this thread (not that it was really going anywhere). I just think the black-and-white "DRUGS WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE" stance is silly and irresponsible (at least when it comes to weed).
I understand that many have that position, and that's fine ... I respect their right to have that opinion.
But, given what I see every damn day and throughout my life ... I'd just prefer that my kids not mess with any drugs, even weed.
I know that many do mess with it ... and have little to no consequences ... but, for many, it leads to other stuff and very bad things.
So, rather than crawfish and say ... "well, son ... weed is just fine, but leave that methamphetamine alone ... mess with 'shrooms ... but, that heroine will kill ya" ... easier to simply say, "leave all that shite alone."
Wasn't Mathieu messing with that "synthetic weed" crap that they used to sell at gas stations and such?
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:22 am to RDRGeaux09
Everyone thinks about suicide when behind bars. It's a natural defense mechanism. You feel less trapped when you know you can just kill yourself. Speaking from personal experience
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:27 am to RDRGeaux09
i love me some honey badger but 
how long was he locked up for, like a day?
how long was he locked up for, like a day?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:29 am to Geaux9
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Everyone thinks about suicide when behind bars. It's a natural defense mechanism. You feel less trapped when you know you can just kill yourself.
It's kinda like having to deal with in-laws during the holiday season.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:31 am to drexyl
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:32 am to drexyl
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and frick that football season. this dude had some serious issues - if he succeeds in life then i'm more than happy to have lost a couple of football games. he's had enough pain for 2 lifetimes. the chances of a guy like that really turning it around are slim as frick.
Thank you.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:34 am to RDRGeaux09
Do be honest, I thought about that too. I wasn't concerned if he lived or not.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:38 am to LaFlyer
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His life was almost ruined and he almost killed himself over weed. I'm no fan of the stuff, but it's weed. He didn't rape, steal, kill, maim, hate crime, or anything. I know the argument that it is banned substance, but why is it banned in the first place or why so much weight given to its use by him and athletes and so little to everyone else in the world.
Tyrann lost a lot, but really think about being in jail in that state of mind arrested at a private residence not driving or danger to the rest of the world over that. And branded a thug and worse. I hate the compare it to alcohol argument, but let's do. Drinking at home no problem driving drunk problem. It is the same thing or even if not it caused far more damage than the crime. Now that said team rules need abided by, but almost losing a life over this was way overboard.
I think his problems went beyond the fact that weed isn't legal, but I guess it's fun to pretend that's all it was.
That being said, I'm glad it appears he has tackled his demons and is doing well.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:39 am to jose canseco
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I wasn't concerned if he lived or not.
Srsly?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:45 am to lsu2006
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Srsly
Yeap. Given the choice, I wouldn't wish death on anyone of course. But if someone decides to end their life after being blessed with so many opportunities then pissing it away, I am not losing any sleep. Much more important things to focus on in my life.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:47 am to jose canseco
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But if someone decides to end their life after being blessed with so many opportunities then pissing it away, I am not losing any sleep. Much more important things to focus on in my life.
Oh, you're one of those types. Carry on.
But you're right, he's been given the world on a platter his whole life.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:59 am to lsu2006
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Oh, you're one of those types. Carry on.
Ok, be honest with me. Every part of Tyrann's story stays the same, except he goes to Bama.
Are you as emotionally invested in the plight of this young man? Are you concerned about his suicidal thoughts on prison? I'm willing to bet no.
You don't care about this man bc of his "hard" life. You just care about LSU.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:05 pm to jose canseco
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Ok, be honest with me. Every part of Tyrann's story stays the same, except he goes to Bama.
Are you as emotionally invested in the plight of this young man? Are you concerned about his suicidal thoughts on prison? I'm willing to bet no.
You don't care about this man bc of his "hard" life. You just care about LSU.
I would 100% feel for him if he went to 'Bama. You don't know me or what I stand for. I know how complicated and tough mental issues can be, particularly on the depression/suicidal end of things.
He's a human being and one that has experienced more pain than I ever will. I don't give a shite if he went to LSU, Bama, Ole Miss or wherever.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:43 pm to drexyl
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and frick that football season. this dude had some serious issues - if he succeeds in life then i'm more than happy to have lost a couple of football games. he's had enough pain for 2 lifetimes. the chances of a guy like that really turning it around are slim as frick.
Agreed!! How wonderful for him and those he might help as a result of his experience.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 12:46 pm to KG5989
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Tyrann would no doubt have helped and things could have turned out a little different... but I dont know about all that man.
Our D was still awesome that year, yes TM would have put it over the top, but its not like our D was bad. And our offense was not like it was this past year... yeah it had the same players as last years offense, but they were not as good as they were this past season. Hill didnt get that much work til the 7th game of the year, OBJ and Juice combined for 99 catches for 1,286 yards and 7 TDs, and Metts completion % was 58.8% and had just 12 TDs but 7 INTs.
Biggest difference between 2012 offense and 2013 offense : Cam Cameron. And our top offensive players, OBJ, Juice, Hill, Mett, were sophomores, a freshman that didnt play football for a year, and a QB in his 1st year starting in the SEC. They were inexperienced and young.
The defense was still awesome and 1 of the best in the nation... def good enough to win a National Title, without TM. Would he have helped? Of course. Hes amazing at football. Not saying hes not. But I dont think he alone cost us a championship in 2012 because he got the boot. He didnt play offense, which is what we struggled with at times in 2012.
But yea TM def struggled when arrested and didnt have football in his life... Not really surprised to hear he contemplated that, considering how much negative press he continually got during that year and how many people turned on him (went from most beloved to hated overnight) and all the shite being said about him, and the uncertainty of what to do next. But it sounds like he only thought about it for a second in the article. Doing great now and how he starts up that Second Chance foundation, he could have a huge impact on young men all over the country.
We can just agree to disagree
The guy was a game changer every single game of 2011, unless is was a hapless team like ole miss.
After what he did to UGA and Arkansas in particular with the way those games were going, I'm confident he would be good forat least a huge turnover or long punt return that would have put us on the board.
Add in one turnover or a huge punt return against bama, and we're probably winning that one too.
This is all assuming he did even just one of the two. just about every game he was spectacular and did both
Posted on 6/12/14 at 2:09 pm to RDRGeaux09
I contemplated suicide watching Bama score on that last drive knowing Matthieu would have sniffed that swing pass out and stuffed it.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 2:12 pm to RDRGeaux09
Glad he didn't. Anyone know how he is healing?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:13 pm to TampaTiger22
The presence of suicidal thoughts is no big deal. Everyone has them at one time or another, including thoughts of I can"t go on anymore, I wish it was all over, I want to die, life sucks, etc. They especially show up when we experience major losses or really screw up our lives. When people make specific plans and begin to take action to activate the plan is when it gets serious.
I always liked it when people showed up with suicidal thoughts because that was the point at which they were most likely to make significant changes in their lives in a positive direction. The suicidal thoughts were messages from their unconscious that it was time for some part of them to die, not physically, but psychologically by letting some old belief or behavior pattern die, even if that pattern served them well in the past. I simply reminded them the thoughts were not messages about killing the body but instead killing off a psychological/behavioral part of themselves that was now creating multiple problems for them, even though their identity is intricately tied into that part, and changing one's identity is experienced as a "death."
In Tyrann's situation, the "death" was to the idea of continued drug use and perhaps hanging out with his "peeps" if he wanted to continue playing football. One or the other had to die, either drug use or the dream of playing football. For the time being drug use lost out. Whether or not that continues to be the case is to be seen.
I always liked it when people showed up with suicidal thoughts because that was the point at which they were most likely to make significant changes in their lives in a positive direction. The suicidal thoughts were messages from their unconscious that it was time for some part of them to die, not physically, but psychologically by letting some old belief or behavior pattern die, even if that pattern served them well in the past. I simply reminded them the thoughts were not messages about killing the body but instead killing off a psychological/behavioral part of themselves that was now creating multiple problems for them, even though their identity is intricately tied into that part, and changing one's identity is experienced as a "death."
In Tyrann's situation, the "death" was to the idea of continued drug use and perhaps hanging out with his "peeps" if he wanted to continue playing football. One or the other had to die, either drug use or the dream of playing football. For the time being drug use lost out. Whether or not that continues to be the case is to be seen.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:41 pm to panzer
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I contemplated suicide watching Bama score on that last drive knowing Matthieu would have sniffed that swing pass out and stuffed it.
you and me both
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