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Toughness Model
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:53 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:53 am
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 5:53 am to Kajuncook
5 down votes I'm sure by the daddy ball crowd, and it's not just sports it's life lessons. Not teaching kids about competition is wrong and will hamper their development.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 8:26 am to Kajuncook
Daddy ball or select ball as he calls it is ruining the city leagues too. They have taken over the local park system here in Zachary and ruined the leagues for both boys and girls.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:21 am to Kajuncook
This generation is the problem, blaming tournament ball is convenient for coaches who get showed up by more experience players.
I'm saying this from experience, I've coached at different levels and won titles coaching in high school, I've heard other coaches in high school and college talk about tournament ball. Their pride gets hurt.
A season in high school consist of 30 to 35 games a year. Tournament ball consist of @ 120 games a year, that's 4 seasons of high school ball.
By the time a tourney kid starts high school he's played the equivalent of 13 to 14 years of high school games and if he's played at the top level for years he was coached by guys that's played in the pro's and knows things that his high school coach don't know.
Prideful coaches get embarrassed but I can grant you the majority of their starters or tourney players.
Parents are the problem not tourney ball as long as you have coaches that take care of the players first over winning.
I'm saying this from experience, I've coached at different levels and won titles coaching in high school, I've heard other coaches in high school and college talk about tournament ball. Their pride gets hurt.
A season in high school consist of 30 to 35 games a year. Tournament ball consist of @ 120 games a year, that's 4 seasons of high school ball.
By the time a tourney kid starts high school he's played the equivalent of 13 to 14 years of high school games and if he's played at the top level for years he was coached by guys that's played in the pro's and knows things that his high school coach don't know.
Prideful coaches get embarrassed but I can grant you the majority of their starters or tourney players.
Parents are the problem not tourney ball as long as you have coaches that take care of the players first over winning.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:25 am to GetmorewithLes
quote:Preach it. I've got one foot in both. A 14U kid playing USSSA-AAA and a 10U kid who is more the rec speed and just loving the game. Had a dad at my 14U's practice last night blasting rec kids as another friend was telling us about how a tournament team had to kick off a rec team this week from the Zachary field. (Which was legit, since the tourney team did schedule and pay for the field use.) This dad was saying, "pshhht, rec ball... they can go practice on a soccer field."
Daddy ball or select ball as he calls it is ruining the city leagues too. They have taken over the local park system here in Zachary and ruined the leagues for both boys and girls.
Sadly, a lot of tourney parents feel this way. It's ugly.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:29 am to GetmorewithLes
It hurts the young pitchers the most-- they are pitching all year long--- and people wonder why they are having arm surgeries. They are throwing so many curve balls so young that they are damaging the ulnar ligament in the elbow-- eventually it becomes damaged needing surgery. Think about it!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:32 am to Kajuncook
quote:Well, in defense of tourney ball (like I said, I have a foot in both worlds), that is on the parents. My tourney kid did not pick up a baseball from early August until early January. This is really important to do for kids in that 11-14yo range who have bodies growing rapidly, growth plates under stress, etc.
It hurts the young pitchers the most-- they are pitching all year long--- and people wonder why they are having arm surgeries. They are throwing so many curve balls so young that they are damaging the ulnar ligament in the elbow-- eventually it becomes damaged needing surgery. Think about it!!!!!!!
No way will my kids ever play fall ball or even fall practice.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:58 am to Kajuncook
He's been consistently critical of select baseball but his kids played it. And there are plenty of teams that do it right with no "coach daddy" mentality. Like most things there is good and bad.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 9:58 am to Kajuncook
I read the article. Can 100% understand the gripes. I think you have to pick your tourney team well. I'm learning. This year, we do not play on Easter weekend or Memorial weekend. I have done pitching lessons purely to relieve my older son's arm issues that a bad coach encouraged in him. It worked. He's had no issues and loves the game a lot more. It does do a number on our spring yard work and Sunday church-going, though.
One of the parents on his team has been taking his son to weekly hitting sessions with Bill Dailey for a while now. That is not cheap. His son just turned 14. Been playing travel ball since he was 8. Mine is 14 and in his 2nd year. It all ends this year for him as now he moves on to HS baseball.
One of the parents on his team has been taking his son to weekly hitting sessions with Bill Dailey for a while now. That is not cheap. His son just turned 14. Been playing travel ball since he was 8. Mine is 14 and in his 2nd year. It all ends this year for him as now he moves on to HS baseball.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 10:34 am to Kajuncook
I was wondering if this was going to show up on this board...I can see Robi's points but don't necessarily agree with everything he said...
Baseball has grown so fast with the Select/Travel team format, that it's good for the sport itself, not always good for the kids, tho...
Parents are generally the problem with any of the "kids" sports, not just baseball...
Baseball has grown so fast with the Select/Travel team format, that it's good for the sport itself, not always good for the kids, tho...
Parents are generally the problem with any of the "kids" sports, not just baseball...
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:04 pm to Kajuncook
There is a second grader (travel ball only) in my boy's class at school who is not allowed to play whiffle ball at recess because his dad told him it would ruin his swing.
The vicarious living is crazy, but the pull of peer pressure is tough to resist. USSSA has it down to a science to sell those insurance policies and new parks being built everywhere are ready to collect those entry fees.
The vicarious living is crazy, but the pull of peer pressure is tough to resist. USSSA has it down to a science to sell those insurance policies and new parks being built everywhere are ready to collect those entry fees.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 12:04 pm to clamdip
The big damage I see the most is that more kids are not playing rec or league ball and depleting the talent and numbers in the league. League ball is a different animal when you have to play for 8-10 wks and build a record to achieve. That plays into what Robicheaux is talking about in the toughness model. Tourney ball lets a team off the hook when they dont play up this week because they can just start over next week.
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