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TM7 2011 > CW2 1997?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:33 pm
This is to compare TM7 and CW's 1997 Heisman Trophy winning season.
Tyrann Mathieun 12-0 in games played
70 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks
5 fumble recoveries, 6 forced fumbles, 2 fumble return TDs
7 pass breakups, 2 interceptions
26 punt returns for 420 yards (12.3 avg) and 2 TDs
Charles Woodson, Michigan (11-0)
42 tackles (4 for losses), 1 sack, 7 INT
11 catches, 231 yards; 3 carries, 15 yards, 3 TD
33 PR 283 PRY 8.6 PRAVG TD 1
Know we all know because of TM7 suspension he won't win the Heisman, but TM7 is the best player on the best team in the country. Here is the voting from the 1997 Heisman. In 1997 just as it is this year there wasn't really a clear offensive front runner, but the big names were there has they are this year.
Here is the link to the 1997 Heisman voting LINK
Charles Woodson won it fairly easily. I think TM7 is the best playmaker in the country. That's what people considered CW has along with the best cover corner, and defensive player. Now TM7 may not be the best cover corner in the country, but to people that say he isn't a damn good one. You obviously do not understand how to elevate defensive backs. With that said, to call him a CB is a slap in the face. The kid is a football player and does much more than a CB could ever do for a football team. Oh wait! that's what they said about CW. I understand it's not feasible at this point for him TM7 to win the Heisman, but NOT to be a AA, please. They shouldn't have an All-American team w/o TM7.
Tyrann Mathieun 12-0 in games played
70 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks
5 fumble recoveries, 6 forced fumbles, 2 fumble return TDs
7 pass breakups, 2 interceptions
26 punt returns for 420 yards (12.3 avg) and 2 TDs
Charles Woodson, Michigan (11-0)
42 tackles (4 for losses), 1 sack, 7 INT
11 catches, 231 yards; 3 carries, 15 yards, 3 TD
33 PR 283 PRY 8.6 PRAVG TD 1
Know we all know because of TM7 suspension he won't win the Heisman, but TM7 is the best player on the best team in the country. Here is the voting from the 1997 Heisman. In 1997 just as it is this year there wasn't really a clear offensive front runner, but the big names were there has they are this year.
Here is the link to the 1997 Heisman voting LINK
Charles Woodson won it fairly easily. I think TM7 is the best playmaker in the country. That's what people considered CW has along with the best cover corner, and defensive player. Now TM7 may not be the best cover corner in the country, but to people that say he isn't a damn good one. You obviously do not understand how to elevate defensive backs. With that said, to call him a CB is a slap in the face. The kid is a football player and does much more than a CB could ever do for a football team. Oh wait! that's what they said about CW. I understand it's not feasible at this point for him TM7 to win the Heisman, but NOT to be a AA, please. They shouldn't have an All-American team w/o TM7.
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:35 pm to LSUisFlatNasT
He was never suspended according to les 
HB7 for Heisman
HB7 for Heisman
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:35 pm to LSUisFlatNasT
Sorry to ruin your party, and it is a good party, but there is one huge difference...
Even IF TM7 would not have been suspended, he would NOT win the Heisman.
There is a huge difference in the perception of Heisman voters between Michigan and LSU.
Even IF TM7 would not have been suspended, he would NOT win the Heisman.
There is a huge difference in the perception of Heisman voters between Michigan and LSU.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:36 pm to LSUisFlatNasT
This post was better than I thought it would be.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:37 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
There is a huge difference in the perception of Heisman voters between Michigan and LSU.
this
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:38 pm to LSUisFlatNasT
I've made this argument before and agree with most of what you say, but how can you say there was no clear offensive front runner in 1997. To me, because Woodson beat out Manning, it provides even more fuel to the fire that Mathieu should win this year. There is no offensive player of Manning's caliber in this year's race, so it should be easy to vote for Mathieu. He seems to have made a huge surge since Saturday night, by the way. See my posts over the last few weeks on this topic.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:41 pm to LSUisFlatNasT
booom
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:49 pm to TheEye
Woodson won the Heismann b/c the BIG 10 was still influential at the time and the networks (esp. ABC, as I recall) absolutely promoted him shamelessly.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:55 pm to Tigerpaul1969
I guess I should've explain what I meant. At the beginning of the season in both were a clear front runner A. Luck 2011 & Peyton Manning 1997. With Luck losing to Oregon, and Manning not being able to beat UF AGAIN. Both having great season, but by no means considering the two guys talent level (Luck & Manning) not all-time great. The ladder part of the season in 1997 there wasn't a clear offensive leader. Just as there hasn't been this year. That's why CW was able to win going away. His punt return against OSU solidify his case. TM7 had two PR for TD's both changed HUGE games in LSU's favor.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:03 pm to Tigerpaul1969
quote:
because Woodson beat out Manning, it provides even more fuel to the fire that Mathieu should win this year.
Great logic. Too bad those with the ability to chose awards, rankings, etc. rarely use it. College football is essentially one big case of "groupthink."
Recent ex: Alabama is the #1 team in the country in '09 and Mark Ingram is the "best" player on that team. Therefore he MUST be the best player in the country. (Just ignore the fact that MSU's Dixon may have been the best RB in the SEC in 2009)
Bama deserves to play for the NC because their only loss was by 3 pts. to the #1 team in the country (Just ignore the fact that 2006 Michigan had the EXACT same argument, yet somehow did not deserve to play for the NC)
Tyrann Mathieu isn't a serious candidate for the Heisman when compared to someone like Andrew Luck who is the consensus #1 pro prospect (Just ignore the fact that Mathieu, a DB and PR for the #1 team has arguably has better stats than Woodson, a DB and PR for the #1 team in 97, who was up against the consensus #1 pro prospect)
Posted on 12/5/11 at 5:30 pm to Alt26
bump
Posted on 12/5/11 at 5:43 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:
Even IF TM7 would not have been suspended, he would NOT win the Heisman.
Totally disagree. It would be a lock. He is getting as much hype as anybody. It might not be on ESPN, but what he has done on defense is basically never been done and having that video viewed by 20 million people only helps. I bet he places third.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 6:03 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
someone should make a chart with this info.
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