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re: This one is on Mainieri...
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:44 pm to DaStain
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:44 pm to DaStain
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Just about any argument against bunting in that situation is an
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Incredibly bad argument
1. Why turn it around? Can you not defend the original comment about Nola hitting the fly ball? Are you admitting how stupid that statement is?
2. Why "just about any" and not "all arguments against bunting"?
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Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:44 pm to Catman88
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fricking Gaudet is good enough to bunt as a DH 2 times but Gibbs who CPM has said MANY MANY times is one of our best bunters swings away..
That's a pretty bad argument.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:45 pm to bwallcubfan
Let's just be done with it and fire PM. You kids wouldn't be bitching if we won the game. No team is perfect and the better team won today. Y
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:46 pm to GeauxTigers0107
I must have missed where that has any bearing on the topic.
CPM blew this regional with some pretty aweful coaching.
CPM blew this regional with some pretty aweful coaching.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:48 pm to moneyg
That's a pretty bad argument
I might as well say it too since this is the defacto apologist mantra.
CPM made some really bad mistakes. Nobody is saying he isnt a good coach. But the choices were easy to make and he didnt make them. We lost.. Its over. Im sure CPM regrets it too.
I might as well say it too since this is the defacto apologist mantra.
CPM made some really bad mistakes. Nobody is saying he isnt a good coach. But the choices were easy to make and he didnt make them. We lost.. Its over. Im sure CPM regrets it too.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:53 pm to Catman88
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Nobody is saying he isnt a good coach. But the choices were easy to make and he didnt make them. We lost.. Its over. Im sure CPM regrets it too.
This.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 7:55 pm to Catman88
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CPM made some really bad mistakes. Nobody is saying he isnt a good coach. But the choices were easy to make and he didnt make them. We lost.. Its over. Im sure CPM regrets it too.
I disagree.
Baseball is a game where it is soooooo easy to criticize in hindsight.
Pointing out something that didn't work out does not equate to a coaching error. Many baseball plays are percentage plays where there is a pretty damn good chance that it's not going to work out.
If your best example of Mainieri's coaching mistake was not bunting Gibbs with 2 on and no out then I think you are reaching and using hindsight to justify it.
It was very, very far from a bad decision. It just didn't work out.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:01 pm to moneyg
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It was very, very far from a bad decision
PM is a good coach and we should all be thankful he is here at LSU, but
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:02 pm to moneyg
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If your best example of Mainieri's coaching mistake was not bunting Gibbs with 2 on and no out then I think you are reaching and using hindsight to justify it.
I honestly do not believe there is a single MLB manager that makes the same call as CPM.
It was a mistake and a stupid one. The percentage play is get the runners over and work for the 1 run. Swing away is by far the worst decision.. After a bunt the DP is out as well.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:06 pm to MOT
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1. Why turn it around? Can you not defend the original comment about Nola hitting the fly ball? Are you admitting how stupid that statement is?
2. Why "just about any" and not "all arguments against bunting"?
1. I agree that it is impossible to say that Nola would have been pitched the exact same way had the situation been different, but I will take my chances with 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and arguably my most disciplined hitter at the plate.
2. You're right again here..ALL arguments against bunting in that situation are incredibly bad arguments. Thanks for the correction.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:10 pm to Catman88
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I honestly do not believe there is a single MLB manager that makes the same call as CPM.
1. This wasn't a MLB game so anything you said after that is pretty much irrelevant.
But just for laughs...
2. If you think there isn't a single manager in MLB that would've let his cleanup hitter swing in that situation..........
People can have their opinion and that is fine. But please, don't try to make it sound like you had the obvious answer and he was clearly wrong.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:15 pm to bwallcubfan
pm needs to go plus his assistants
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:36 pm to Catman88
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I honestly do not believe there is a single MLB manager that makes the same call as CPM.
You don't know what you are talking about if you think every manager is going to take the bat out of the hands of a batter that is hitting .395.
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After a bunt the DP is out as well.
Assuming they don't walk Nola to set up the double play.
There is a good chance that after walking Nola that the corners are playing in to get the run at home on a ground ball to 3rd or 1st base.
So, you'd be relying on Leon who has a reputation of not coming through with men on base.
The bunt wouldn't not have been a bad call. But, to say that it's a call that every manager makes is simply untrue and frankly ignorant when you consider your best hitter on the team is at the plate.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:40 pm to Catman88
i think its weird that PM got bunt happy the other night, but didnt want to bunt Gibbs today.
the other night we got all our runs because we played for big innings, and knowing our bullpen has been bad, he decides to bunt to try and scratch across a run late in the game like 2-3 times.
but today he couldn't bunt Gibbs when all we needed was a run?
and to not have Katz in the lineup today, somehow, somewhere??
it really was a poorly coached weekend by a coach that usually makes all the right moves
the other night we got all our runs because we played for big innings, and knowing our bullpen has been bad, he decides to bunt to try and scratch across a run late in the game like 2-3 times.
but today he couldn't bunt Gibbs when all we needed was a run?
and to not have Katz in the lineup today, somehow, somewhere??
it really was a poorly coached weekend by a coach that usually makes all the right moves
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:47 pm to Lester Earl
Had a terrible weekend
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:02 pm to SeattleTiger19
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I think our biggest issue is being patient at the plate. we give a lot of first pitch flyouts and groundouts and take a long time to see a teams bullpen. We need more long innings for opposing pitchers.
Echo that.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:19 pm to DaStain
Bottom line. We should have bunted. imho 
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:21 pm to DaStain
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:48 pm to bwallcubfan
frick YOU ITS CLM's FAULT wellllll
MAYBE BURTMANS!////\\\
WHAT THE frick EVER GO SUCK YOUR MAMA"S COCK!
MAYBE BURTMANS!////\\\
WHAT THE frick EVER GO SUCK YOUR MAMA"S COCK!
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:07 pm to Flyin Tighas
Every baseball team should know how to bunt, whether it is the right call in this situation is, like many have said, easy to tell in hindsight. But beyond that one play LSU proved that they could not bunt this weekend. It is one thing to have a team with Brandon Larson and Eddie Furnis hitting bombs, but this team cant do that. They should know how to manufacture runs.
Every failure is an opportunity to learn. I think next year, whether LSU will need to or not, CPM will make sure they know how to bunt so it does not come down to "we cant bunt because this guy in the lineup cant" but "I dont want to bunt this guy even though he knows how because if I let him hit-away we will have a better chance of winning." CPM will figure it out..no one or coach is perfect. He will learn from this
Every failure is an opportunity to learn. I think next year, whether LSU will need to or not, CPM will make sure they know how to bunt so it does not come down to "we cant bunt because this guy in the lineup cant" but "I dont want to bunt this guy even though he knows how because if I let him hit-away we will have a better chance of winning." CPM will figure it out..no one or coach is perfect. He will learn from this
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