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The TRUTH about the LSU Offense and It's NOT CAM.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:01 am
It has upset me to see cam becoming the scape goat.
He's the first O.C. since Jimbo that has had a plan of recruiting and developing quality qb's. W/O going into the details, he has harris, McMillian, and now Franks, then Dinkleman in line for qb stability. For the first time since Jimbo, he's building a strong future at that position. It doesn't look like he will get the time to see the fruit of his effort.
The issue with the lsu offense is three things.
1)Miles has and will always have his power heavy run package. he will always have a say in the offense. He lets his oc's have some plays. however, he has his main footprint on the offensive. he's well documented with jimbo, crowton, stud, and now cam.
2) Offensive line recruiting. We have struggled to recruit the kind of offensive line you need to run the power run package against quality teams. People ask why we don't use the t.e. in the passing game. because they have to help the tackles out as they are getting beat. Last year we had our first quality o-line pull in five years.
3) Politics. In 2012 Les would not play L. Collins at left tackle because he wanted Faulk to come back after his injury. This year he promised Hawkins and Alexander the tackle spots if they come back. Well, Alexander was to slow as freshman to block fast ends (see Clemson, he got destroyed) he is to slow now. Hawkins is a better Rt. tackle than left tackle. Pocic is a Left tackle playing center. Instead of playing the players in the positions they perform best. he has three players out of position. Now, when we face quality defenses, these player become a liability vs. an asset. I believe the line would perform better with Hawkins rt tackle, Mae at rt guard, clapp at center, alexander lft guard, and pocic at lft tackle. It's really strange that he plays politics by agreeing to take avery Peterson and l.f. brother but would not play with c.rob and sims.
At the end of the day, Cam's hands, and the talent he has to work with, have been dictated and tied. you can't call the plays you'd like and you can't execute the plays you need to work due to a limited play sheet and limited interior front that can't block.
I've said before and I'll say again. CAM is one of the most important assistants we need to keep in terms of the future stability of the program. You lose cam, you lose franks. Then you have to play against franks at florida and it will take you 3 years to fill the qb void again.
The only way I'm for getting rid of cam is if les is gone too. If les is staying, it's imperative to keep cam another year. you want to let him go, let him go next year so you have three experienced qb's on staff for the next guy. We MUST protect the program.
Steele was the worst hire. This defense has virtually the same group as last year. They are not performing as well. In Fact, his lack of coaching is evident with the players not knowing what to do. it's why we have blown coverage's and allow long t.d.'s EVERY GAME. Are we really getting rid of Cam and keeping this guy?
He's the first O.C. since Jimbo that has had a plan of recruiting and developing quality qb's. W/O going into the details, he has harris, McMillian, and now Franks, then Dinkleman in line for qb stability. For the first time since Jimbo, he's building a strong future at that position. It doesn't look like he will get the time to see the fruit of his effort.
The issue with the lsu offense is three things.
1)Miles has and will always have his power heavy run package. he will always have a say in the offense. He lets his oc's have some plays. however, he has his main footprint on the offensive. he's well documented with jimbo, crowton, stud, and now cam.
2) Offensive line recruiting. We have struggled to recruit the kind of offensive line you need to run the power run package against quality teams. People ask why we don't use the t.e. in the passing game. because they have to help the tackles out as they are getting beat. Last year we had our first quality o-line pull in five years.
3) Politics. In 2012 Les would not play L. Collins at left tackle because he wanted Faulk to come back after his injury. This year he promised Hawkins and Alexander the tackle spots if they come back. Well, Alexander was to slow as freshman to block fast ends (see Clemson, he got destroyed) he is to slow now. Hawkins is a better Rt. tackle than left tackle. Pocic is a Left tackle playing center. Instead of playing the players in the positions they perform best. he has three players out of position. Now, when we face quality defenses, these player become a liability vs. an asset. I believe the line would perform better with Hawkins rt tackle, Mae at rt guard, clapp at center, alexander lft guard, and pocic at lft tackle. It's really strange that he plays politics by agreeing to take avery Peterson and l.f. brother but would not play with c.rob and sims.
At the end of the day, Cam's hands, and the talent he has to work with, have been dictated and tied. you can't call the plays you'd like and you can't execute the plays you need to work due to a limited play sheet and limited interior front that can't block.
I've said before and I'll say again. CAM is one of the most important assistants we need to keep in terms of the future stability of the program. You lose cam, you lose franks. Then you have to play against franks at florida and it will take you 3 years to fill the qb void again.
The only way I'm for getting rid of cam is if les is gone too. If les is staying, it's imperative to keep cam another year. you want to let him go, let him go next year so you have three experienced qb's on staff for the next guy. We MUST protect the program.
Steele was the worst hire. This defense has virtually the same group as last year. They are not performing as well. In Fact, his lack of coaching is evident with the players not knowing what to do. it's why we have blown coverage's and allow long t.d.'s EVERY GAME. Are we really getting rid of Cam and keeping this guy?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:03 am to dos crystal
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The TRUTH
Finally.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:05 am to dos crystal
Are you replacing belowpar?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:07 am to dos crystal
The problem with the O line is inexcusable IMO and that falls on Miles.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:08 am to dos crystal
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you can't call the plays you'd like and you can't execute the plays you need to work due to a limited play sheet.
Have you seen the actual play sheet?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:10 am to dos crystal
So the politics of getting players to return and letting them play X position even though it's not bet for the team trumps Les miles job security by giving team beat chance to win?
Interesting.
Interesting.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:11 am to dos crystal
Truth, and also truth if Les stays so does Cam.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:12 am to dos crystal
I agree with most of this. Give Cam and Les one more year to right the ship and if they can't then cut ties. People scoff at keeping coaches just to secure a recruiting class, but this one really is good enough at multiple positions of need to justify it.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:13 am to Gray Tiger
Does it matter if he has seen it?
He has seen what it means in practice on the field, in the games, game after game...
He has seen what it means in practice on the field, in the games, game after game...
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:14 am to dos crystal
What's shocking to me is how we can continue to recruit WRs into this offense. I guess Miles just says "Landry/Beckham - come to LSU". I can kind of understand their poor play at times - hell I'd get bored out there too.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:14 am to Placebeaux
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The problem with the O line is inexcusable IMO and that falls on Miles.
Three years ago Studrawa was recruiting our OLine. It was one of the few times Miles has outright fired a coach. You can say he took too long to do it, but you can't argue that he didn't address the issue.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:14 am to dos crystal
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it's imperative to keep cam another year.
I completely agree! He is not the problem IMO, but there is a problem somewhere in the offense. I don't know if it's the players, scheme or practice.
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Steele was the worst hire. This defense has virtually the same group as last year. They are not performing as well. In Fact, his lack of coaching is evident with the players not knowing what to do. it's why we have blown coverage's and allow long t.d.'s EVERY GAME.
I don't agree with you here. We do not have the same players back, we have less depth and it's the players on the field that are not where they are supposed to be and missing tackles. We are too small up front to hang with power teams like Bama and Ark, it was almost the same story last year. If Ole Miss and aTm run all over us then I will be concerned.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:15 am to TigerFanNKaty
Just because Les is such a nice guy, U can dance around the mulberry bush,until we get rid of Les,get ready to lose at least 4 games a season!
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:16 am to dos crystal
Pretty obvious that the calls run through Miles and he disapproves them...a lot.
Ever wonder why we have so many delay of game penalties?
Cam calls the play, Miles rejects (no telling how many times) until poof.. 0 on the clock.
Ever wonder why we have so many delay of game penalties?
Cam calls the play, Miles rejects (no telling how many times) until poof.. 0 on the clock.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:20 am to dos crystal
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It's really strange that he plays politics by agreeing to take avery Peterson and l.f. brother but would not play with c.rob and sims.
It is strange. Almost makes me question your entire "politics" argument. If it wasn't the TRUTH, I probably wouldn't even believe it.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:22 am to 1badboy
I agree that cam is not the problem. but what was les to do if alexander and Hawkins were going pro. either let them go or let them change positions as he did with la'el. he made the right choice. if they both had gone pro, the backup would be way, way worst.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:23 am to PacLSU
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It is strange. Almost makes me question your entire "politics" argument. If it wasn't the TRUTH, I probably wouldn't even believe it.
You really think we offered l.f. brother because we thought he was a potential starter? No, a promise was made and kept. Which, I'm not against. If you are going to do it for that blue chip, do it for CRob too. He's at a position of need for your team.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:23 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Truth, and also truth if Les stays so does Cam.
I don't see the Board of Supervisors extending Cam more than one year. If we are going to be buying out contracts it would be absurd to make the cost more than it has to be.
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