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re: The real reason why players are leaving early

Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:29 am to
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
5133 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:29 am to
That may be a reason to go early
But what about the reason to stay?
As we have seen many times the Not For Long League is not the answer for most student athletes. How awesome is it to get your degree and be prepared for life and not just the NFL. I know it sounds trite but it is very true.
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:29 am to
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It's not about not wanting to play for LSU, or Les Miles


you made some good points but these kids already proved that they "wanted to play for LSU, or Les Miles."

quote:

So, get over it and be glad that we are putting tons of players in the NFL. It will keep those talented guys coming to LSU to give us 3 solid years.


frankly, I never had anything to get over....they gave LSU (as a school) and me (as a fan) three years of their life in a very dangerous and debiltating sport. I truely support any decision they make that helps to secure their future and let's them fullfil their wish to play in the nfl. IMO, it's we that owe them...not them who owe us.

past, present and future.
Posted by TigerTreyjpg
Monroe, LA
Member since Jun 2008
5815 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:32 am to
Here's the reality that some folks fail to grasp.


Every single person that signs an athletic scholarship to play football for LSU has aspirations of playing professional football. Every. Single. One. Outwardly and publicly, the current college football system, at least in the Southeastern Conference, is billed as a means for kids to obtain a college education without paying tuition. Instead, they play football. Hence, the term athletic scholarship. In reality, that same system is nothing more than an NFL proving ground. As such, when these kids have THE CHANCE to turn pro, the vast majority do just that.

A very small percentage that have that chance stay in school to either earn their degree, compete for a championship the next year, or both, but that percentage is tiny. When ALL of your players have professional football aspirations, and very few of them think a college degree, a SHOT at a college championship, or a combo of the two is worth more than a year's salary as an NFL player, the result is continued mass exodus.

Who can blame them? Most 7 year old kids in the south dreamed of playing professional football. When that same kid is 20 or 21, and someone says to them "all you have to do is declare it", seriously, who can blame them?

I don't. This will continue to happen. The reason it happens at LSU more than most other programs, in my opinion, is because we've been very fortunate in terms of signing pro type talent, and developing it such that they are NFL ready. Losing players is a product of the success of the program.


Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57507 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:32 am to
C.R.E.A.M.

/thread
Posted by TigerfFaithful
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
353 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:34 am to
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You are ignoring that EVERYONE in the country that is draft eligible has the same incentives to leave, yet it looks like 2 year s in a row, LSU will have more kids leave early than any other team. How does this not have anything to do with Miles or the program? He said as much in press conferences last year.


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Your argument would hold more water if LSU wasn't having a ton more leaving early than most schools for the pros. I know LSU is a very talented team, but they aren't that much more talented than many of these other schools that aren't losing 6+ early entrants in back to back years.


Exactly.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 11:36 am
Posted by jim712
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
1518 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:34 am to
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You are ignoring that EVERYONE in the country that is draft eligible has the same incentives to leave, yet it looks like 2 year s in a row, LSU will have more kids leave early than any other team. How does this not have anything to do with Miles or the program? He said as much in press conferences last year.



This. Thank you.

Whatever the reason, it leaves us with a shell of what could have been.
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
5133 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:35 am to
Well said.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261165 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:36 am to
I can understand guys leaving if they are going in the top 3-4 rounds.

Maybe the staff is selling these guys on being NFL ready in 3 years as a recruiting tool? Just a thought.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83615 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:39 am to
quote:

I can understand guys leaving if they are going in the top 3-4 rounds.


you say this, but the money isn't that much different than a 6th rounder and a 4th rounder anymore

thus the point of the OP
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:41 am to
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As we have seen many times the Not For Long League is not the answer for most student athletes. How awesome is it to get your degree and be prepared for life and not just the NFL. I know it sounds trite but it is very true.


very short sighted....who says they can't come back and finish their degree like tons of other athletes have? the opportunity to bankroll or, at least, jump-start your future only happens once. strike while the iron is hot. factor the long term value of the degree from LSU that most of these kids are pursuing vs. signing bonus, and an average 5yr career in the nfl. if they've learned anything from their 3yr 'education' at LSU and they resist the rock-star lifestyle and get themselves a solid wealth management professional they will have secured their families future.

Posted by Manky
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2013
1145 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:43 am to
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Chicken needs to open up a players leaving early board


and

Band Board- the songs the band is playing is just as important as the game.

Les' Penis Taste Like Cotton Candy Board- no explanation needed.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68105 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:47 am to
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Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:50 am to
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TrueTiger


concise and to the point.

"show me the money!"

Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10466 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:54 am to
quote:

you say this, but the money isn't that much different than a 6th rounder and a 4th rounder anymore

thus the point of the OP



Yet, this hasn't seemed to affect 97% of other teams like it is affecting LSU. I don't think people know why it is happening, but to blow it off and say "well it's cause they get the same money as a 4th rounder as they'll get as an undrafted free agent" doesn't hold water when the vast majority of other schools aren't having this drastic of an issue.

I can't blame a couple of the guys, but if someone like Turner leaves, then you have a serious problem that is prevalent.
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
5133 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:02 pm to
For some players yes , but not all.For every B Logan there ate many S Montgomeries. Not to say big Sam is done but I think you catch my meaning.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261165 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:04 pm to

you say this, but the money isn't that much different than a 6th rounder and a 4th rounder anymore

thus the point of the OP
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

is because we've been very fortunate in terms of signing pro type talent, and developing it such that they are NFL ready. Losing players is a product of the success of the program.


Good post, but here is the only part I disagree. We aren't the only school doing this, in fact, some are doing in better. And their turnover rate doesn't look like ours.
Posted by Sal Minella
Member since Nov 2006
1951 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:17 pm to
And Sam Montgomery is out of the league because of his own personal shortcomings. He was at times in his career projected as a top 10 pick then he got lazy, admitted to taking plays off, reported out of shape, and according to the Texans violated team rules.

And don't forget he was one that Moffitt called out on his infamous picture.
Posted by Shalimar Sid
Member since Feb 2005
9246 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:28 pm to
I do not have a problem with any player using LSU as a springboard for success. If a major corporation offered you millions of dollars to leave school early and get paid now to do what you are majoring in, would you stay at LSU or hang out and wait? Pretty sure you would leave, I know I would.
Posted by BRAVEHEART
Member since Aug 2012
1525 posts
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:39 pm to
They're football players, not Enginners or Teachers or Rocket Scientists. It's all about the money. No incentive to stay at LSU and play for four years.

Maybe, just maybe, if the junior departers saw that there was a strong chance for a National Championship, they'd come back for their senior seasons, but there's no hope for that possibility at LSU and they know it, so they gone.

The only hope for all this to change would be the implimentation of a minor league football sysytem, where you would have the option to play right out of high school. Either play in college for four years or go right to the minors for 3-4 years before moving on to the NFL.
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