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The rant needs an intervention about Coach Steele
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:02 pm
The bias is stupidly strong on this board. I remember very clearly everyone on this board laughing when Coach Steele's name came up. "Haha could you imagine if Les actually hired that retard? He's such a terrible coordinator". Everyone hated him and wanted someone else, his name was only brought up here as a joke. But after being hired the entire narrative changed. The same people who hated him talked up how good he was and defend him now. He's not good and the board needs to remember that. Coach O has done an amazing job, but there's no need to keep Steele around at his current position. He may be a good coach, but he's no DC.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:10 pm to FourthQuarter
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He's not good and the board needs to remember that. Coach O has done an amazing job, but there's no need to keep Steele around at his current position. He may be a good coach, but he's no DC.
What makes you say that?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:10 pm to FourthQuarter
He and coach O are here to get the DL and LB groups up to snuff.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:11 pm to FourthQuarter
Coach O might not be here if they would've hired someone besides Steele
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:11 pm to FourthQuarter
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He may be a good coach, but he's no DC.
What makes you say this?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:12 pm to rmnldr
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What makes you say that?
Well there's the huge turn around at Clemson after he left. As far as I'm aware he hasn't been successful anywhere where he has had above a position coaching job.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:13 pm to FourthQuarter
So, it's the week after a loss.
So, in addition to the perfunctory threads on why we need to fire Les Mils, we have threads today on why we need to can both the OC and the DC.
I will not get lathered up about any of these coaches until we get rid of the bona fide All World Moron Bradley Dale Peveto as ST's coach.
If we refuse to make a change there, after all the evidence of incompetence this season, isn't it silly for us to expect changes elsewhere?
So, in addition to the perfunctory threads on why we need to fire Les Mils, we have threads today on why we need to can both the OC and the DC.
I will not get lathered up about any of these coaches until we get rid of the bona fide All World Moron Bradley Dale Peveto as ST's coach.
If we refuse to make a change there, after all the evidence of incompetence this season, isn't it silly for us to expect changes elsewhere?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:17 pm to FourthQuarter
I figured Les thought Steele could provide some sort of inside info on Bama. Guess not. Otherwise it seemed like an odd hire.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:19 pm to FourthQuarter
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Well there's the huge turn around at Clemson after he left. As far as I'm aware he hasn't been successful anywhere where he has had above a position coaching job.
Clemson was good on defense while he was there. Once they got the ball rolling with recruiting it became a different story. Steele had a depleted team full of freshmen and sophomores in 2011 and those guys grew up in 2012/2013. They've been recruiting at a high level ever since.
Don't try to deny that he has had to make do with the talent that LSU has on hand. The cupboard is bare here and he's done a fine job with what he has.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:21 pm to rmnldr
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What makes you say that?
Uh the fact that wvu scored AGAIN! And the fact that we are not a top 15 defense.
Oh and also the fact that he has never put an elite defense together and even nick saban demoted him from dc. That tells me the guy is a good position coach but not a dc.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:34 pm to FourthQuarter
Due to the fact that he is handcuffed by the overall lack of quality defensive talent and depth directly attributable to the previous DC and staff, it is difficult to grade him at this time. He may not have all the horses to run the scheme he wants to run. When he has his, Orgeron's, and Raymond's recruits in place, then it's on him to produce as DC.
I agree that no one was initially excited when he was hired. However, since he WAS hired, people started looking for his positive traits: great recruiter and good linebacker coach. To be fair in assessing this year's defense:
DL- Orgeron has done more with less.
LB-Steele has done more with less.
DB-Raymond has done less with more.
Most disturbing part of our defense has been the secondary breakdowns. This is the only area on defense with supposed quality depth. This would appear to fall on Raymond. Second most disturbing is that our D gets gassed at the end of games against good teams. Tired players miss tackles and are a step slower to the ball. This is a result of a lack of quality depth at DL and LB. Thank you, Chavis.
We'll learn more about KS as a DC in next two to three years. Until then, it's fair to reserve judgement.
I agree that no one was initially excited when he was hired. However, since he WAS hired, people started looking for his positive traits: great recruiter and good linebacker coach. To be fair in assessing this year's defense:
DL- Orgeron has done more with less.
LB-Steele has done more with less.
DB-Raymond has done less with more.
Most disturbing part of our defense has been the secondary breakdowns. This is the only area on defense with supposed quality depth. This would appear to fall on Raymond. Second most disturbing is that our D gets gassed at the end of games against good teams. Tired players miss tackles and are a step slower to the ball. This is a result of a lack of quality depth at DL and LB. Thank you, Chavis.
We'll learn more about KS as a DC in next two to three years. Until then, it's fair to reserve judgement.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:45 pm to biglego
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I figured Les thought Steele could provide some sort of inside info on Bama.
Is it some kind of strange frickin mystery what Bama is going to do year in and year out? Do you actually believe that this is the reason Miles hired Steele?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:51 pm to PayLesLess
quote:LSU absolutely has to sign five 300 pound DL's and five 240 pound LB's that can run. We've been bringing in too many light weights that simply can't match up against Bama, even after after being Mofittized. Bama brings em in all ready to go at the start.........
We'll learn more about KS as a DC in next two to three years. Until then, it's fair to reserve judgement.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 2:58 pm to tonydtiger
quote:it must be a mystery to Les Bc he hasn't figured it out. I didn't see another reason to make Bama's LB coach a DC.
Is it some kind of strange frickin mystery what Bama is going to do year in and year out? Do you actually believe that this is the reason Miles hired Steele?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:23 pm to FourthQuarter
Steele knows we need 300lb DEs
325 lb DTs and 250 lb lineBs. The D will be average at best until he and O get them
325 lb DTs and 250 lb lineBs. The D will be average at best until he and O get them
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:26 pm to FourthQuarter
I've said since it was announced that it was a bad hire. I tried not to bash him too much and hoped I was wrong......
But I wasn't. He's just not very good.
But I wasn't. He's just not very good.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 3:43 pm to biglego
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I figured Les thought Steele could provide some sort of inside info on Bama. Guess not. Otherwise it seemed like an odd hire.
I just don't understand how stupid yall can be.
Steele and Chavis go back to being best friends growing up, they attended the same schools, and have extremely similar defenses. He hired him because #1 is a top recruiter in the SEC (he wanted a guy with recruiting experience in the south), and #2 he could keep the defense pretty much the same without doing too much too soon. so less of a transition.
The defense is fine. They do enough to win games with the type of offense we have. They got worn out vs Bama, but we knew all along that we were too thin on the line and at linebacker. The new defensive coaches, including Steele are addressing this in recruiting.. If you are going to play straight up football (which Miles does) then you have to take recruiting up to another level.. and with the current #1 class.. they are.. especially defensively.
Someone may try to mention well yeah Alabama has #1 classes but we get top 5 classes. It's not much difference. The thing is.. Alabama's #1 classes can only go as high as #1.. they could have 5 five star players and we could be in the top 5 with just 1 five star player.
LSU is still currently 25th in the entire country in total D.
Someone else mentioned how he has to go, blah blah, and the same people who hated him now defend.. Well #1 it's ridiculous to replace the DC at this point, especially given the recruits coming in. those people are so reactionary like you.
The defense held Bama to 10 points in the first half, up until they made that long fg which I still can't believe they made.. After as bad of a first half as we had as a team, that was impressive. Bama then immediately got an INT that was pretty much a pick 6 considering field position.. and the game went right back to where it was before our comeback. Just not our night.. and we wore down late.. just as so many people predicted we would all season long due to lack of depth where it matters most vs these types of teams. The coaching has actually done a tremendous job considering this. I would give them another year. If you really want to see bad D, then check out a&m getting run all over on a weekly bases.
Our defense impacting the game in a positive way is actually up.. such as tfl, sacks, turnovers, holding the scoring down in the first half while the offense mounts a lead, and making the stops when needed most. Bama being stronger with more depth than us this go around should not be the gauge as to fire first year coaches. Let them get their guys in.
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