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re: The "New" Bats: Do you enjoy baseball more now than before??
Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:43 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:43 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Maybe two players per batting order could use the old bats to keep things interesting 
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Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:47 pm to Smoke Ring
One player per inning gets to use the -5 and you can't walk him.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:54 pm to JJ27
The new bats are bad, but my son high school team is still hitting the ball hard. Maybe a 20 foot difference. Sweet spot is smaller.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 12:59 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
Can't stand the new bats to me it has ruined the college game. Like many have said 10 years ago the bats were way to hot but 3 years ago I thought was a perfect balance. Now you have inflated ERA's instead of batting averages so what did you gain except make the game boring to watch?
Posted on 4/11/12 at 1:37 pm to MetTiger
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go to wood.
remember why 'we' left wood?
broken bats expense
broken bats shards stabbing people in the neck.
I am ok with the changes.
I hated the PING.
This post was edited on 4/11/12 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/11/12 at 1:56 pm to mamoutiga
Love new bats, almost tamper proof. Its all about players being able to square the ball up. Just ask yourself this. How many foul balls are hit a game. That will be your answer. Two many foul balls proves guys cant put it in play.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 1:57 pm to MetTiger
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ARE YOU ENJOYING THE GAME OF BASEBALL AS MUCH NOW (IN HS AND COLLEGE) AS YOU DID 3 YEARS AGO???
I would personally like them to go back to wood. Wood had pop in my day, before the weight training and creatine. 20 years after my HS and collage days I was in an old timers game with metal bats. The metal felt so light I thought I was swinging without anything in my hands. At least you could feel the weight of the wood. Saw some long balls with wood they say only aluminum could produce.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 2:23 pm to catnip
I purposely put the question in caps on the OP because, all the other issues and beliefs aside, I just wanted to know if people were enjoying the game.
Lots of good opinions and solutions. I fully understand the cost and durability of wood bats. That's probably not a financial option for most colleges and all high schools (not that HS's generally provide players any bats at all currently that I know of)
But the technology is there to make some minor changes to metal bats to make them more lively. One I believe is to ban all composites and have metal bats be made of a single construction top to bottom. Adjustments then can be made to the ball exit speed by limiting barrel wall thicknesses and alloy types. Metal bats would look like wood bats in profile and have a similar feel.
I just think if they do nothing and leave it, it's going to really change the game, and not for the better. I agree, going back to the early 90s bats is too much of a good thing, but a 3 year rollback would be acceptable to me.
Lots of good opinions and solutions. I fully understand the cost and durability of wood bats. That's probably not a financial option for most colleges and all high schools (not that HS's generally provide players any bats at all currently that I know of)
But the technology is there to make some minor changes to metal bats to make them more lively. One I believe is to ban all composites and have metal bats be made of a single construction top to bottom. Adjustments then can be made to the ball exit speed by limiting barrel wall thicknesses and alloy types. Metal bats would look like wood bats in profile and have a similar feel.
I just think if they do nothing and leave it, it's going to really change the game, and not for the better. I agree, going back to the early 90s bats is too much of a good thing, but a 3 year rollback would be acceptable to me.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 2:24 pm to MetTiger
The irony of the new bats is still helping pitchers to the detriment of run production. DH is in place to protect pitchers and add offensive excitement. Now many teams don't even have a legit player @ DH who would be confused with a mauler at the plate. It is a bad redundancy, might as well go back National League style and make the pitchers hit given the current bats. I don't hate the current game, but I do believe it could be improved. I don't care for 12-10 or higher scores in games, that's not baseball, but praying for 3-4 runs a game in college isn't, either.
Tim Hudson, one of the best all around players to grace the SEC. He would be interesting to watch in the current phase of the game.
Tim Hudson, one of the best all around players to grace the SEC. He would be interesting to watch in the current phase of the game.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 2:56 pm to MetTiger
I guess many peolpe don't realize the bats have been changed more than two times. In the mid 80's they were dulled down. In the late 90's they were dulled again. In 2010 compsites were banned, and finaly in 2011 they were realy dulled down.
Every time they dull the bats, bat makers found ways around the rules to make the bats more aggressive. I feel a ban on composites was needed, as numbers were starting to increase again. From 2000 till 2007 home run numbers looked steady, but in 08 and 09 they spiked. The NCAA freaked and made these major changes, that may not ever improve.
In my opinion I liked the 2000-2010 years, and I also grew up on and love that PING that some find so annoying. As some others have posted, I don't want to see home run derby, but I like knowing anyone may drive a homer at any at bat.
And for what it's worth, I do like to see pitching duels, from time to time.
Every time they dull the bats, bat makers found ways around the rules to make the bats more aggressive. I feel a ban on composites was needed, as numbers were starting to increase again. From 2000 till 2007 home run numbers looked steady, but in 08 and 09 they spiked. The NCAA freaked and made these major changes, that may not ever improve.
In my opinion I liked the 2000-2010 years, and I also grew up on and love that PING that some find so annoying. As some others have posted, I don't want to see home run derby, but I like knowing anyone may drive a homer at any at bat.
And for what it's worth, I do like to see pitching duels, from time to time.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:34 pm to MetTiger
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The "New" Bats: Do you enjoy baseball more now than before??
F*&k No!!!
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:13 pm to MetTiger
quote:then clearly the ball comes off the bat slower. They didn't change the ball to a wiffle ball.
What I've noticed is comebackers to the pitcher seem to be coming just as fast (OK, maybe .02 sec slower) as before, but long balls are almost extinct
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:30 pm to nicholastiger
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It wasn't MLB scouts complaining about the bats it was NCAA coaches and one of them leading the parade was Tim Corbin at Vandy
truth. the fact is, most college players simply aren't good enough to hit with the news bats. the players that are prospects till hit for good numbers like mahtook last year, but most players just aren't that good and while it may help scouts evaluate hitting better, it also makes average pitchers look like elite prospects. 10 of the 12 SEC team have sub 4.00 team ERAs right now. the player safety thing is a joke. pitchers are going to be badly hurt if struck in the face by any bat. it's always going to be a risk. here is a good article and alaysis on the player safety aspect LINK
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:34 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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then clearly the ball comes off the bat slower. They didn't change the ball to a wiffle ball.
60ft with hardly any air resistance effects vs a long ball with 320ft of horiztonal and 60-80ft of vertical. Just saying that the difference in the time it takes to get to the pitcher is practically infentessimal compared to the effects on the long ball, which are dramatic.
and the safety effects are totally cancelled out by infields playing further in and now closer to the batter's box. Because it's a wiser move if you want to win.
If they'd dumb the bats down even further, then the defense would just play in even further. The time from bat to player will always be the same, the coaches will just adjust the distance in order to make the play.
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the fact is, most college players simply aren't good enough to hit with the news bats
and high school players are having an even tougher time with the new bats. The point of this dumbing down exercise is what? Safety? See the above answer.
Yes, in the worst case situation, a blazing fastball comes straight down the pipe to a gorilla hitter who lines it back to the pitcher. Whether its wood, old bats, new bats, etc, won't matter, the pitcher is going to get hit and won't have time to react to either scenario. That's the danger part of baseball that has to be accepted to preserve the game. Thankfully, it's very rare, and thus the tradeoff. The key here is do you make every other aspect of the game suffer to avoid this?
No one wants to see anyone get hurt for crying out loud. We're not saying use super balls and loaded bats. Just make the bats fit the field dimensions of the game. If the majors hit x.x homers per at bat, then make the metal college bats to a formula to generate the same x.x homers per at bat rate, Same with high school. The worse the overall hitter, the livelier the bat. Thus the game stays consistent on all levels.
This post was edited on 4/11/12 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:37 pm to lsufball19
good hitters will come to college less and less and good pitches will come more and more. its only going to get worse.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:38 pm to Terry the Tiger
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$1200-$3000 per season per high school player for wooden bats? A high school player could use a new wooden bat for each at bat and it would barely cost over the $3000 that you noted.
A seasons worth of wooden bats would roughly cost the same as these expensive space-age bats.
a good wooden bat is gonna run 125-150 bucks each. teams with less money are gonna have to buy bats of lesser quality and thus the teams with more money would have an unfair advantage. and even then, 10+ bats a year per player is a huge cost. just take the 20ish position players and $1000 each for bats. that's a minimum 20 grand in just baseball bats. smaller collegs and certainly not high schools can afford that. the most expensive BBCOR bats run about 400 bucks a piece and VERY rarely break, and many players use the same bat, so no you are incorrect about that cost analysis
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:39 pm to nicholastiger
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first bat restrictions were good enough
Agreed. You could still play gorilla ball if you had some hoss hitters, but it wasn't like 10 years ago when some people averaged close to a HR a game.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:41 pm to Ronis
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How many foul balls are hit a game. That will be your answer. Two many foul balls proves guys cant put it in play.
lol what? seriously one of the most ignorant baseball posts i've ever seen
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:53 pm to MetTiger
No. Small ball blows.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:55 pm to lsufball19
No.
The reason the casual fan watches the college game as opposed to pro ball is because of run production.
With the change in the bats the marginal pitchers look better and the marginal hitters look worse.
That is not a recipe for more extensive TV coverage for the college game, plain and simple.
The reason the casual fan watches the college game as opposed to pro ball is because of run production.
With the change in the bats the marginal pitchers look better and the marginal hitters look worse.
That is not a recipe for more extensive TV coverage for the college game, plain and simple.
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