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re: TB has practice video showcasing
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:14 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:14 pm to tigerfoot
quote:The point is we keep running it to the short side and it does not work. They don't fix the problem and they keep running it. But they won't run plays that do work, like the option play they ran with Perrilloux, Holliday and Keiland vs Florida in '07.
THIS
I sure enjoy reading some posts that understand WHY our option is not successful. It has little or nothing to do with what side it is run. We do NOT execute.
Anyone that mentions "short side" as a problem is cool though, it makes it easy to spot the ones to disregard in matters football related.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:15 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Combine that with the fact that the zone read is (IMHO) the best current offensive play in college football
I think it's good if your QB can make good descisions as to whether he should keep it or handoff, and if you have a good o-line.
The zone read with Ridley vs Arkansas was horrible. Our o-line couldn't block for it and Ridley was too slow to do anything without the o-line holding up.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:17 pm to drexyl
drexyl passive aggressively attacking anyone who thinks Miles doesnt walk on water
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:19 pm to Coach in Waiting
quote:
Perrilloux
That is a major part of the problem, RP was a good option QB.
Not a slam at all on JJ or JL...but neither are.
And it is not especially effective when we run it wide.
The point is, why the option?
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:29 pm to Coach in Waiting
quote:
They don't fix the problem and they keep running it.
The option is called on "check with me" plays where Crowton doesn't see anything to exploit. The offense is on the field, lined up, and he has about 8 seconds to make a call. If he doesn't see something he can take advantage of, he calls the option, and it usually gets a couple of yards. I don't like it, at all, but it's not like he's trying to run an option-based offense.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:32 pm to tigerfoot
I'm laughing my arse off at the people who think the offense is going to magically get fixed. It will be the exact same shite next year.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:05 pm to jlsutiger
quote:
It will be the exact same shite next year.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:17 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Combine that with the fact that the zone read is (IMHO) the best current offensive play in college football and it's borderline infuriating that we don't run it more.
Zone Read is only effective with Vince Young or when you change up the read point(play side end, play side 3 tech, and the most popular backside end)
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:17 pm to HDTigers
Might not remember but if im not mistaken, flynn ran the option against va tech to the short side of the field pitched it to keiland and he took it house. so it worked 1 out of 4667872546 times. lol
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:18 pm to XbengalTiger
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LOL @ anyone who thinks they know how to scheme an offense because they can run plays on X-box. Any scheme or play for that matter can be successfull is the players execute their assignment.
I know. You're so deeply entrenched in the program that it must be hard not to laugh at people like that. You're so smart. Reading your posts gives me a feeling like I'M IN THE MEETING ROOMS WITH THE COACHES!
Is it hard for you to go out in public without being bombarded by fans and media trying to get your "inside" knowledge?
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:26 pm to jlsutiger
quote:It's not about changing the offense. You don't have to change the offense to "fix" it, you just have to execute it. It does not matter what kind of scheme you run or play you call... if everyone does not execute their assignment, it's not going to work. Sometimes if you have an outstanding QB, they can overcome some other players not executing their assignment but when you have a young QB that is more worried about making a mistake than making a play, everyone better execute their assignment.
I'm laughing my arse off at the people who think the offense is going to magically get fixed. It will be the exact same shite next year.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:28 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
You don't have to change the offense to "fix" it
+ 100
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:30 pm to diehardfan
quote:Poor baby got his feelings hurt.
diehardfan
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:35 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
Poor baby got his feelings hurt.
Oh no, not at all. You're cracking me up.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:35 pm to Maximus
Maximus you know your e-presence frightens me so I would appreciate it if you didn't stalk me in these threads. Why I'd be so scared I don't know what I'd do.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:41 pm to XbengalTiger
quote:
It's not about changing the offense. You don't have to change the offense to "fix" it, you just have to execute it. It does not matter what kind of scheme you run or play you call... if everyone does not execute their assignment, it's not going to work. Sometimes if you have an outstanding QB, they can overcome some other players not executing their assignment but when you have a young QB that is more worried about making a mistake than making a play, everyone better execute their assignment.
what about when crowton had jarrett lee running the short side option?
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:54 pm to OUandLSUfan
quote:
Zone Read is only effective with Vince Young or when you change up the read point(play side end, play side 3 tech, and the most popular backside end)
Huh? You realize that atleast 25% of college offenses now use the zone read as a staple play, none of whom have Vince Young.
-Texas ran it with McCoy
-Florida ran it with Tebow (they did it more off the 3-tech like you're talking about but it's still the same concept)
-TCU has been running it for years (they like to pull a guard however and give it a veer action but it's still a zone read)
-WVU ran it with Pat White
-South Florida ran it with Matt Grothe
-Oregon has been running it for ages
Also, I never said I wanted to exclusively run it off the backside end. If ya do this then defenses will just start crashing their backside ends to dictate a QB pull and then scraping their OLBs over and your QB will be in a wheelchair by the second quarter.
The zone read is perfect for some many reasons. It is VERY easy to learn. It's easy to block for. It slows down the defense's pursuit. And (arguably most important of all) it has the most genuine and simple look to play action out of. It's difficult (if not borderline impossible) to play action out of a speed option. It is however very easy to play action out of the zone read and it'll hold the LBs long enough to open up seems and freeze the DEs long enough to give the QB time to throw.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:55 pm to Geaux9
quote:
niether are comfortable running the speed option
Link?
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. If it's not sarcasm then you clearly don't watch us run the speed option because Jefferson is painfully uncomfortable running it and Shep is only mildly better (he is productive but only because he is a freak). Both are exponentially more decisive and accurate in their reads off the zone read.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:57 pm to diehardfan
quote:The feeling is mutual. I always get a good laugh at people like you that talk out of their arse about what our coaches do or don't do when they have never set foot inside the football complex. It's pure speculation on your part offered as fact and it's a joke. You have seen others post on here that Les does not actually coach so you repeat it as fact when the fact is if you have ever been to a practice you would know Coach Miles is very involved in coaching the players and has a very firery personality on the practice field. But hey, by all means, deflect the point of my post becasue you know you are full of shite and give us another great nugget of knowledge from your personal experience with the LSU program.
You're cracking me up.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 11:23 pm to TheDoc
quote:
what about when crowton had jarrett lee running the short side option?
Lee actually runs it ok. In fact, all of our recent QBs have run the option ok with the exception of JJ.
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