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re: Stop beating up on Coach Paul Mainieri

Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Count was 1-0 on third batter after the one he hit when he was pulled

I won't argue this any further, but no he didn't. Alden Cartwright threw 11 pitches.

He went ahead 0-2 on the first hitter and then hit him on the 0-2 pitch. 3 pitches
4 pitch walk. 7 pitches
4 pitch walk. 11 pitches

Yanked him.

Also you said 1-0 on the third hitter. You meant to say the fourth hitter. Either way, it is still wrong.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 2:35 pm
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Auggie will have his staff warming up after the third inning.

Ok, is that the top of the first?

So does he start the game with guys warming up in the bullpen?

You shouldn't have bothered editing that post.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Alden Cartwright threw 11 pitches.

He went ahead 0-2 on the first hitter and then hit him on the 0-2 pitch. 3 pitches
4 pitch walk. 7 pitches
4 pitch walk. 11 pitches

Yanked him.
This is correct.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:35 pm to
Told ya' so.....

quote:

Stop being sensible on The Rant. It's not appreciated.
Posted by harry coleman beast
Left Field
Member since Aug 2008
52210 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:36 pm to
He started a thread shitting on miles immediately after this. frick him
Posted by tigernation56
im the woods
Member since Feb 2013
4767 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:41 pm to
Parity more like don't know better.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

Parity more like don't know better.

Wat
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22422 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:49 pm to


If you don't see the issue with your post then let me break it down for you.

There should never have been a game 7. When Maineri yanked Bouman and put in McCune, Auggies system would have worked perfectly.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84985 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

Who (besides Russian) blindly praises everything PM has done?
LSU Groupee for 1. There are a couple others. I was just making the point that it works both ways. My disagreements and dissatisfaction with PM are not solely based in the results of the last 5 seasons.
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I think just about everyone agrees that he and Dunn screwed up and are not immune to criticism by any means.
"Have you ever won a D-1 game as a head coach?!?!11"
quote:

People defending him are just trying to be rational and look at the big picture within our program and the big picture nationally.
And so are some of the people criticizing him.

I've said already that I didn't think this was an Omaha-caliber team. But, like you said, that doesn't make Sunday's decisions or some others immune from criticisms. And like PurpleAndGold keeps alluding to, you don't have to be a top team to make it to Omaha just like being a top team doesn't guarantee you a ticket.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:55 pm to
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When Maineri yanked Bouman and put in McCune



What? We clearly weren't talking about that. We were talking about the game Alden Cartwright pitched. You said PM was horrible because he didn't have someone warming up.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

ell_13

I pretty much agree 100% with everything you said. Well put.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10086 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

So now we're just measuring it by decades?
CPM is now also responsible for the state of the program before he arrived.
I've posted before LSU is very close to the lofty expectations many here expect over a 10yr period.
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22422 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

What? We clearly weren't talking about that. We were talking about the game Alden Cartwright pitched. You said PM was horrible because he didn't have someone warming up.


Exactly where did I say CPM was horrible for not having someone warming up

Secondly, don't assume you know what I was talking about when I mentioned Auggie having his bullpen ready after the third inning in post season play. That was just another example of why I don't worship at the CPM alter
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7064 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:03 pm to
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I have ZERO confidence that the current AD is even remotely capable of making a reasonable hire in baseball.


or any sport
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

Secondly, don't assume you know what I was talking about when I mentioned Auggie having his bullpen ready after the third inning in post season play.


Typically when people are having a conversation and one person directly replies to a comment related to one thing the other person assumes that the person is talking about said subject matter.

You responded to where I said most people with any knowledge of the game of baseball would not expect a coach to have someone warmed up 11 pitches into the game. You directly replied to that comment and said Auggie (SIC) disagrees with that comment.

You've already proven once that you didn't really know what was going on in the game since you thought Cartwright threw a pitch to the fourth hitter in the top of the first.

Boy, this conversation has turned awesome.
Posted by LSUNV
In the woods or on the water
Member since Feb 2011
22422 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

Boy, this conversation has turned awesome


You keep bringing up Cartwright so let me point out your ignorance!

The ball that hit the batter was a ball right? Then he proceeded to throw eight more balls in a row! By my count that would be 9 straight balls.

Secondly, you still don't get the fact that my mentioning of having a bullpen ready in post season play should be in direct correlation to the starting pitchers performance in regular season. CPM knew Cartwright was known for struggling at times therefore should have been ready
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

The ball that hit the batter was a ball right? Then he proceeded to throw eight more balls in a row! By my count that would be 9 straight balls.




You said he didn't get yanked until he went to a 1-0 count on the hitter after his 2 consecutive walks.

The guy I corrected said that he hit a guy and then threw 9 consecutive balls, to which you defended by saying he walked two hitters and then had a 1-0 count on the next hitter before being yanked. You were wrong bro. Quit trying to dodge it.

quote:

Secondly, you still don't get the fact that my mentioning of having a bullpen ready in post season play should be in direct correlation to the starting pitchers performance in regular season.

Ah, okay, so you are saying that PM should have had a pitcher warmed up and ready to go faster than he did, which was 11 pitches into the game, because Cartwright has struggled at times.

Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
20200 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

CPM knew Cartwright was known for struggling at times therefore should have been ready


So he should have somebody warming before he even threw a pitch?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84985 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

CPM knew Cartwright was known for struggling at times therefore should have been ready
People really have an issue with how long Cartwright was in? Like that had anything to do with us losing that game?
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

So he should have somebody warming before he even threw a pitch?

Clairvoyance is a nice trait to have as a coach.
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