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Stoops and Ferentz - The Alternative Methods of Change.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:33 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:33 am
After reading the post on OU and all the changes Stoops made after last year, here's the alternative method of change that undefeated Iowa took:
Whoa.
Iowa still has the same offensive scheme as last year, all the same coaches. So what changed? Nothing major, they just started to do the little things better, changed their practice routine and (this is where it gets good LSU fans...) turned around their Special Teams -
So we have a Stoops who changed his entire offensive scheme and a Ferentz who stuck with his scheme but did a much better job of coaching it. Both coaches are in the Playoffs at this point and have proven that there is more than one way to make a complete turnaround in college football. This is why I love the sport, you just never know what you're going to get. Unless you don't change anything...
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"The Hawkeyes' program had become stale, failing to win more than eight games in any season since 2009. The streak of sellouts disappeared, and heading into the 2015 season, Iowa saw a 10 percent drop in season tickets, with only 64 percent of fans renewing their season tickets."
Whoa.
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"Going to Iowa football isn't a thing you do these days, because people have better things to do. They have better things to do than sit in the cold in a stadium with no cell service, with benches the athletic department hasn't bothered to clear of snow and with a football team that seems content going 7-5 or 8-4.
"We weren't playing Iowa football," offensive line coach Brian Ferentz tells 'The Inside Read'. "We weren't tough and physical. We weren't any of those things. We lost close games. We were sh---- on special teams, got the ball run up our a-- and we didn't run the ball. We just weren't us. There was a lot of disappointment and frustration. I'd go so far as to say embarrassment because that's not who we are."
Iowa still has the same offensive scheme as last year, all the same coaches. So what changed? Nothing major, they just started to do the little things better, changed their practice routine and (this is where it gets good LSU fans...) turned around their Special Teams -
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"Ferentz, who once joked that he might never return a punt again, took advice from former [Iowa] punt returner Micah Hyde, who has turned into one of the NFL's best return men for the Green Bay Packers.
On last Wednesday's WIXX show, Hyde was asked if he returned punts at Iowa.
"My junior and senior years I did it," he said, "but we had a bunch of freshmen out there. So it was fair-catch, fair-catch, fair-catch. I never really returned the ball."
"When I got here and returned a couple," Hyde said, "my coaches from back there [at Iowa] were like ‘Why didn't you do that here?'
His reply: "Well, you guys had freshmen blocking for me. I wasn't able to do anything."
This year, Iowa has put some of its best players on punt return and subsequently jumped from 106th to 23rd nationally in punt return average."
So we have a Stoops who changed his entire offensive scheme and a Ferentz who stuck with his scheme but did a much better job of coaching it. Both coaches are in the Playoffs at this point and have proven that there is more than one way to make a complete turnaround in college football. This is why I love the sport, you just never know what you're going to get. Unless you don't change anything...
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:40 am to Coeur du Tigre
TL;DR
I agree.
I agree.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:48 am to Coeur du Tigre
So you're saying there's a chance?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:05 am to kbro
I think the point is that Les may not have to clean house and start from scratch in order to make meaningful changes. That's what Stoops did but Ferentz took the other approach.
Where the two approaches become similar is the outside input. Stoops hired his while Ferentz spent to offseason visiting and talking to other coaches. For example, he picked up his changes in practice schedules from Oregon - which as the article points out is a program 180 degrees different from Iowa.
Mental change can be accomplished within the existing organization or from changing the organization. But in either way, outside input is required. And that's what takes guts.
Where the two approaches become similar is the outside input. Stoops hired his while Ferentz spent to offseason visiting and talking to other coaches. For example, he picked up his changes in practice schedules from Oregon - which as the article points out is a program 180 degrees different from Iowa.
Mental change can be accomplished within the existing organization or from changing the organization. But in either way, outside input is required. And that's what takes guts.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 7:25 am to Coeur du Tigre
So all Miles would have to do is play the 60th ranked sos, instead of a top 5 every year, and he too could be like Ferentz.
Got it!
Got it!
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:54 am to jembeurt
I've always been a fan of iowa's style of play big physical guys playing smash mouth ball
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:03 am to jembeurt
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So all Miles would have to do is play the 60th ranked sos, instead of a top 5 every year, and he too could be like Ferentz.
I think the point is Iowa is now doing better against the 60th rank type SOS than previously, it is not like they were playing top 5 schedules in the past.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:11 am to Coeur du Tigre
It also really helps that they have Jr QBs.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:39 am to The Last Coco
We would be fine with a qb. 
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:39 am to Coeur du Tigre
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So we have a Stoops who changed his entire offensive scheme and a Ferentz who stuck with his scheme but did a much better job of coaching it. Both coaches are in the Playoffs at this point and have proven that there is more than one way to make a complete turnaround in college football. This is why I love the sport, you just never know what you're going to get. Unless you don't change anythin
1) Iowa doesn't have to play Michigan St, Michigan, Ohio St or even Penn State, and have dookie on OOC teams. I mean it really helps when just about everybody else is your division sucks balls more than usual, you don't have to play any of the top four teams from the other divjsion, and your OOC schedule consists of Iowa St, Illinois St, Pittsburgh and North Texas.
2) I like what Mark Stoops did. Tennessee would be tied for the best team Iowa has faced to date (Northwestern) and Oklahoma had to play Okie St, Baylor and TCU who would all kill Iowa.
If LSU had that schedule, they'd go undefeated too.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:43 am to Datbayoubengal
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If LSU had that schedule, they'd go undefeated too.
We got our shite pushed in by Arkansas and Ole Miss. I wouldn't be so sure.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:49 am to Coeur du Tigre
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"Ferentz, who once joked that he might never return a punt again, took advice from former [Iowa] punt returner Micah Hyde, who has turned into one of the NFL's best return men for the Green Bay Packers.
On last Wednesday's WIXX show, Hyde was asked if he returned punts at Iowa.
"My junior and senior years I did it," he said, "but we had a bunch of freshmen out there. So it was fair-catch, fair-catch, fair-catch. I never really returned the ball."
"When I got here and returned a couple," Hyde said, "my coaches from back there [at Iowa] were like ‘Why didn't you do that here?'
His reply: "Well, you guys had freshmen blocking for me. I wasn't able to do anything."
This year, Iowa has put some of its best players on punt return and subsequently jumped from 106th to 23rd nationally in punt return average."
This was one of the problems we had this year. But we've had younger guys on special teams before that did well, adn they turned out to be really good players when they got older. Maybe those younger guys we have now won't amount to much later.
I can remember guys talking about arguing over playing on the kickoff team.
The proper personnel on special teams can definitely play a big role in how successful you are. We were not.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:30 am to lsu2006
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We got our shite pushed in by Arkansas and Ole Miss. I wouldn't be so sure.
Arkansas and Ole Miss are better than anybody Iowa has played. Seriously dude that division sucks donkey dick.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:06 pm to Datbayoubengal
The SOS is always important however if we concentrate on that we're missing the point. It's not the opponents, it's Iowa. Outside of the two annual rent-a-wins, Iowa had the same teams scheduled last year as this year.
Last year they lost to Iowa State, Maryland, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Nebraska. And then lost their bowl game to Tennessee to finish 7-6, 4-4. The point is the turn-around to 12-0, 8-0. What Ferentz did to effect that is the story here.
Last year they lost to Iowa State, Maryland, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Nebraska. And then lost their bowl game to Tennessee to finish 7-6, 4-4. The point is the turn-around to 12-0, 8-0. What Ferentz did to effect that is the story here.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:16 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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What we were doing wasn't working, and that's a really hard thing to be honest with yourself about, I believe.
When you get beat like that, I think you really have to be honest with yourself. And what it was, it was symptomatic of bigger problems. That's what we felt like. And when you look at the season and look at the games we lost and the ways we lost them, if you're not honest with yourself, then you have no chance to improve. So whatever we were doing wasn't working.
best quote in there IMO. from the younger Ferentz, the OL coach. we need to sign him up, get out from under daddy's shadow.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:26 pm to ATLTiger
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if you're not honest with yourself, then you have no chance to improve
Bingo. And that's why significant change at that age takes real guts.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:28 pm to nadam15
quote:that's what LSU tries to do.
I've always been a fan of iowa's style of play big physical guys playing smash mouth ball
Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:33 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Iowa also got a scheduling break. I don't think they played Michigan, Michigan State, or Ohio State. And maybe Penn State? Nothing against Ferentz he's good.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:39 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Last year they lost to Iowa State, Maryland, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Nebraska. And then lost their bowl game to Tennessee to finish 7-6, 4-4. The point is the turn-around to 12-0, 8-0. What Ferentz did to effect that is the story here.
LOL
Wisconsin, Nebraska, Maryland and Minnesota are all much WORST than they were last year. I mean have you seen the Wisconsin run game? Nebraska just had a losing season??? Nebraska, yes that Nebraska, has a losing season. Maryland fired their coach and Minnesota's coach retired and lost his two best players by far on offense from last year.
Seriously, I think you guys don't pay attention to crap outside of the SEC unless you try to defend Miles being stubborn.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:42 pm to TigerNE
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Nothing against Ferentz he's good.
No he's not. He's been wallowing in mediocrity for years and they couldn't fire him because of that stupidly large buyout.
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