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re: Starting P going 2 innings and credited with win?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:03 am to Drew Orleans
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:03 am to Drew Orleans
quote:
I was talking about my scenario where we use a ton of different pitchers for not more than a couple of innings like during a mid-week game.
I'm well aware of what you were talking about. That's exactly what I said in my scenario. You could use 7 different pitchers in a game and the pitcher that was in the game when the team took the lead doesn't necessarily have to get the win.
Your declaration that "if no announcement is made, it's simply the pitcher that was in the game at the time his team took the lead for good", is not accurate.
Still really not sure what you don't understand about that. A reliever could come in and pitch like shite, but be in the game when his team took the lead, but he doesn't have to get the win like you said would be the case.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 11:06 am
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:18 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:22 am to MRTigerFan
I'm not arguing. I'm correcting him because what he said wasn't correct. Someone was asking a legitimate baseball question and I want him to get the right answer.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:23 am to PurpleAndGold86
To cut through all the red tape..
1) In a scenario like last night, a coach can declare that his starting pitcher will only go a certain amount of innings. If he meets that and the team holds the lead, then he wins. Period.
2) Otherwise, an official scorer does have some discretion when awarding wins to relievers, based upon who he thinks pitched most effectively.
Example: Reliever A enters a game in the top of the 6th inning of a tie game. He gives up 3 runs and finishes the inning. In the bottom of the 6th inning, his team scores 4 runs to take the lead. Reliever A is replaced in the top of the 7th by Reliever B, who pitches 3 scoreless innings.
Technically, by baseball scoring rules, Reliever A should be the winning pitcher because he was the pitcher of record when his team took the lead. However, the official scorer can award the win to Reliever B, who was obviously much more effective.
1) In a scenario like last night, a coach can declare that his starting pitcher will only go a certain amount of innings. If he meets that and the team holds the lead, then he wins. Period.
2) Otherwise, an official scorer does have some discretion when awarding wins to relievers, based upon who he thinks pitched most effectively.
Example: Reliever A enters a game in the top of the 6th inning of a tie game. He gives up 3 runs and finishes the inning. In the bottom of the 6th inning, his team scores 4 runs to take the lead. Reliever A is replaced in the top of the 7th by Reliever B, who pitches 3 scoreless innings.
Technically, by baseball scoring rules, Reliever A should be the winning pitcher because he was the pitcher of record when his team took the lead. However, the official scorer can award the win to Reliever B, who was obviously much more effective.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:27 am to LSUGrad9295
Everything you just said is 100% accurate.
Correct, and this was the exact scenario I just gave above.
quote:
Reliever A enters a game in the top of the 6th inning of a tie game. He gives up 3 runs and finishes the inning. In the bottom of the 6th inning, his team scores 4 runs to take the lead. Reliever A is replaced in the top of the 7th by Reliever B, who pitches 3 scoreless innings.Technically, by baseball scoring rules, Reliever A should be the winning pitcher because he was the pitcher of record when his team took the lead. However, the official scorer can award the win to Reliever B, who was obviously much more effective.
Correct, and this was the exact scenario I just gave above.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:40 am to PurpleAndGold86
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if there is no agreement reached between the coaches before a game is started.
So you think Mainieri had to get Cador's permission to let Poche get the W?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:46 am to TXTigerDad
NCAA Rule Book on Statistics
SECTION 25—winning and losing pitchers
a. For all games of eight or more innings, a starting pitcher
must pitch at least five complete innings to receive credit as the
winning pitcher. For all games of fewer than eight innings, the
starting pitcher must pitch at least four innings to get credit for
the win. Additionally, the winning pitcher’s team must be in the
lead when he is replaced and must remain in the lead for the
rest of the game.
b. If the starting pitcher does not pitch enough innings, the
win is credited to a relief pitcher in the following manner:
(1) The winning relief pitcher shall be the one who is the
pitcher of record when his team goes ahead and remains
ahead throughout the remainder of the game. No pitcher
may receive credit for a victory if the opposing team
ties the score or goes ahead after he has left the game.
Note: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new
contest insofar as the winning and losing pitchers are concerned.
Exception—If a relief pitcher conforms to the above regulations
but pitches briefly and ineffectively, the scorer should not
credit him with a win. If a succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively
and helps maintain the lead, the scorer should award the
win to that succeeding pitcher.
(2) By prearrangement, if three or more pitchers are to be
used, the pitcher of record shall be considered the winning
pitcher.
c. When a batter or runner is substituted for a pitcher, all
runs scored by his team during that inning are to his credit in
determining the pitcher of record.
d. The starting pitcher shall be charged with the loss if he is
replaced at any time while his team is behind and remains behind
for the remainder of the game. Similarly, any relief pitcher
who is the pitcher of record when the opposing team assumes
the lead and never relinquishes it is charged with the loss.
Note: The pitcher of record shall be the one who is in the game
at the time the winning team gains the lead, provided that the
lead never is relinquished, or the one who is charged with the runs
by which the opposing team takes the lead, provided that the lead
never is relinquished.
e. To receive credit for a shutout, the pitcher must pitch the
entire game or enter the game with no outs in the first inning
and pitch the rest of the game without any runs scoring.
SECTION 25—winning and losing pitchers
a. For all games of eight or more innings, a starting pitcher
must pitch at least five complete innings to receive credit as the
winning pitcher. For all games of fewer than eight innings, the
starting pitcher must pitch at least four innings to get credit for
the win. Additionally, the winning pitcher’s team must be in the
lead when he is replaced and must remain in the lead for the
rest of the game.
b. If the starting pitcher does not pitch enough innings, the
win is credited to a relief pitcher in the following manner:
(1) The winning relief pitcher shall be the one who is the
pitcher of record when his team goes ahead and remains
ahead throughout the remainder of the game. No pitcher
may receive credit for a victory if the opposing team
ties the score or goes ahead after he has left the game.
Note: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new
contest insofar as the winning and losing pitchers are concerned.
Exception—If a relief pitcher conforms to the above regulations
but pitches briefly and ineffectively, the scorer should not
credit him with a win. If a succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively
and helps maintain the lead, the scorer should award the
win to that succeeding pitcher.
(2) By prearrangement, if three or more pitchers are to be
used, the pitcher of record shall be considered the winning
pitcher.
c. When a batter or runner is substituted for a pitcher, all
runs scored by his team during that inning are to his credit in
determining the pitcher of record.
d. The starting pitcher shall be charged with the loss if he is
replaced at any time while his team is behind and remains behind
for the remainder of the game. Similarly, any relief pitcher
who is the pitcher of record when the opposing team assumes
the lead and never relinquishes it is charged with the loss.
Note: The pitcher of record shall be the one who is in the game
at the time the winning team gains the lead, provided that the
lead never is relinquished, or the one who is charged with the runs
by which the opposing team takes the lead, provided that the lead
never is relinquished.
e. To receive credit for a shutout, the pitcher must pitch the
entire game or enter the game with no outs in the first inning
and pitch the rest of the game without any runs scoring.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:55 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:
Up to the score keepers discretion.
Wrong
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:38 pm to Geauxst
quote:
(2) By prearrangement, if three or more pitchers are to be
used, the pitcher of record shall be considered the winning
pitcher.
I was going to post the same link. The prearrangement is with the official scorer, not the opposing coach as was suggested in a earlier post.
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