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re: Softball: #7LSU 5 VS Louisiana Tech 0 Final

Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:11 pm to
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71603 posts
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:11 pm to
How are yall even still debating about this? Every game thread is like talking to a couple little kids throwing a hissyfit because they didn't get to eat cookies for lunch.

Congrats to Carley on the no hitter.
Posted by TaserTiger
Houston
Member since Dec 2008
391 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:25 am to
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She just has to keep her emotions in check..when she doesn't get calls it affects her

As it should. She is very human.

Adrenaline. Sympathetic system (motor nervous system) demanding action now attempted to be modulated/balanced by the body's parasympathetic system (sensory nervous system feedback) as it tries to slow that BS down and concentrate on the next moment in the battle. The next pitch. It's hard to do. The best competitors/athletes master that balance.

So it's perfectly normal. And present in a high degree in a super athlete/competitor like Carley.

I could discuss my previous experience with pitching in baseball and softball (not fast pitch softball like Carley does). All those involve the "strike zone" of an umpire for any given game. It varies, so adapting quickly to what the ump sees as balls and strikes is so vitally important. I know, because I've done that as a former competitor.

Part of the game...

Congratulations on your no hitter, Ms. Hoover. Very much hard as hell to do. You are special.

I love LSU softball.
Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
616 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 6:20 am to
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argument you're in a bad spot really


No, the really bad spot is defending a player that is statistically the worst infielder offensively and defensively in the entire SEC because of the "LSU way" and she is able to signal to the other players. It's DJ Welter over Kendall Beckwith all over again.

But, I will end the debate and watch us underachieve at the position for the third year in a row. The staff obviously believes that having a Sr. at a certain position outweighs production. There is no rationale for this. You don't build programs with historically underachieving upper classmen. You don't develop superior freshman on the bench. As we have seen with Springfield, Doyle and somewhat with Andrews, when you give these multi talented players an opportunity they shine. Some are just destined to never get that opportunity it seems. It's good to be awesome in the circle, it can cover up some serious deficiencies.

Posted by LSUAshlyn
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2013
616 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 6:21 am to
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How are yall even still debating about this?


Because it is that ridiculous.
Posted by Imperial
Member since Feb 2017
123 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:23 am to
The negative debate is why I know a few posters don't post or even read this debate anymore. Seems like everytime posts a positive thing about a player, someone has to come insult them.

I feel like I'm watching politics right now... if you don't like someone's opinion, you just insult and pitch a fit. I guess this board just represents how all of our society acts now. This isn't meant for any specific poster, but the discussion in general.

In the meantime, I'm still reading this site to get breaking news when I can't go to the games.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 8:24 am
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2177 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:37 am to
Sounds to me like you are just trashing one player to suit your own agenda that someone else is better. Are you a coach? Do you evaluate the players during practice? Have you been privy to the work outs and practices that these girls put in?
Posted by WMTigerFAN
Ouachita
Member since Feb 2005
4468 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 8:55 am to
Taking a break from the analytics taking place, I love the fact that many of the state's college softball programs are on the rise, and that LSU is always willing to play them. I think ULL does the same. It helps motivate our younger players to continue the hard work in hopes of one day taking that stage.
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
21742 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 10:11 am to
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There is more to the game than hitting and running and fielding


I'd rather have a player who can help us get on get runs and prevent runs by hitting, running, and fielding over someone who is can "help coordinate the positioning of the other infielders and signals and stuff." Thanks though. I'm sure other players can help coordinate the positioning of other fielders, give signals and "stuff" if given the chance.

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she just has had some things to learn about the college game and the LSU way


Wtf does this even mean? Is the LSU Way different than the Arizona, Florida, FSU, OU, etc way? I'm sure those other programs "ways" are hitting, fielding, running, scoring, pitching, and winning games by scoring more runs than the opposing team over the course of 7 innings.

Seriously, I'm all ears. Typical coach speak. I'm willing to bet your source is an actual coach on the team or in fact the HC herself. Your coach source is spewing you the classic "learn to play the game" "LSU way" BS.

Please tell us what the "LSU way" is.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 10:16 am
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33482 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:16 am to
I am done arguing this. It is the coach's team and she will play who she shall play based on what she sees on a daily basis that will help her team develop. If a couple of you malcontents who have such a personal interest in this can't accept it, want to develop conspiracy theories, think the coach is an idiot, or whatever, then have at it. I think the majority of the rest of us are happy just to watch the games, to root for the kids on the field and to not try to find ways to trash certain kids who are on the field, whether we think they should be there or not.
Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
11267 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:27 am to
Obviously we're in for some glory days once you're named head coach
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
21742 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:33 am to
Ok Q

Nice way to escape not answering a question!

Hope that all of these ladies can one day play the LSU WAY!!!

You should be a politician dodging questions like that
Posted by Imperial
Member since Feb 2017
123 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:40 am to
So are you an alter for educote? I believe he's an accountant and you've posted that you're an accountant. Just saying that I've never seen a post from you on softball until this season and your points are very similar to his...
Posted by Bottom9
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Member since Jul 2010
21742 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:44 am to
Is educote a Honduran from New Orleans?
Posted by Imperial
Member since Feb 2017
123 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:48 am to
Lol
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
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21742 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 11:50 am to
That's what I thought. Have a nice day.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33482 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Ok Q

Nice way to escape not answering a question!



I am not Constance Quinn.

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LSUGrad9295

LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
16816 posts
Online


I doubt she created an account on here when she was like 11 and has made 16816 posts.

I am just a dude that follows LSU sports, men's and women's , and doesn't care who plays as long as the team is winning and representing LSU with class. Beth Torina and her staff have a lot of class. The players represent the school with class. Constance Quinn has class... and I hate to see a kid who has given 3 years to the program being degraded just for the sake of hyping another kid up, which is what a couple of posters have done in this thread. I'm not sure what purpose it serves, but it happens with the other sports discussed on the board too. It is the nature of the beast. I guess it is a good thing that softball has worked itself into a position where it is prominently discussed on this board....like gymnastics.

Who would have ever thought they would see a day on this board where softball and gymnastics threads are longer than men's basketball threads?
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
1615 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:15 pm to
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Sounds to me like you are just trashing one player to suit your own agenda


If someone states statistical facts about one player or another's performance that is not bashing a player. Bashing a player is a personal attack about something other than performance.

I have read this whole thread and everything I have seen that is "negative" is all about statistically driven, factual performance.

I'm not sure I have ever read any type of related post about all of the different LSU sports where posters didn't question the performance of multiple players. This one is not different that any of 1,000's of others.

I hope it everything works itself out and LSU wins 60!!


Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
21742 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:23 pm to
I'm not calling you Q as in our 2nd baseman's name but I'll leave it at that Mr(s). 2 degrees. She is a very nice kid with a good head on her shoulders. Me questioning her performance the past few years has nothing to do with degrading a kid. Questioning whether another, more talented player should be given a chance to play a few games is more like it.

I agree with you that it's nice seeing long gymnastics and softball threads.

Posted by WMTigerFAN
Ouachita
Member since Feb 2005
4468 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 2:32 pm to
I love the potential of this year's squad, and as far as starting lineups, I believe returning players should be given an opportunity to prove they've improved before handing over their position to an incoming player. In fact, it's reasonable to assume that improvement is expected from returning players. Using baseball as an example, Coach M could have moved on from Kramer Robertson early on but trusted his process, and it paid off. Quinn may not wind up the answer at 2nd but Coach will give her more than a couple of games to prove she's an asset.
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4459 posts
Posted on 2/16/17 at 4:04 pm to
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I hate to see a kid who has given 3 years to the program being degraded just for the sake of hyping another kid up, which is what a couple of posters have done in this thread.


If someone says that a player is struggling with the bat and/or glove, it's "degrading" a kid? If a pitcher can't find the strike zone or is getting hit all over the park, is it "degrading" to say that she needs to be replaced with another option?

Some of you people melt like snowflakes in these threads. I realize that some of you have family or friends on the team and that they might be getting "degraded" or have not been given the chance to shine. Stop whining and getting so emotional when someone has a different take than you.

These ladies are tough and have worked their asses of to get to this point...I'm sure that they can handle a little criticism and adversity. Why can't some of you know-it-alls and softball thread mods?

We are in the infant stages of this season but, it does bother me a little that the same starting personnel used last season is still struggling with the bats at the start of this season. Hopefully, Torina will experiment a little with line-up this weekend and let some others get an opportunity even if this means she runs out 4-5 Freshmen out there. The best 9 should be out there once SEC play gets cranked up but, the best 9 definitely needs to be out there when tournament play starts. She has plenty of time to shake this out.

It's Torina's team and she has some shiny, new toys to play with. She'll figure it out but there are only 9 spots on the field and 10 in the order. Somebody is going to get left out. One thing is for certain, she will be hard-pressed to make everyone happy and some will be pissed off that their player isn't playing and another player is.

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