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re: Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test

Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:19 am to
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12903 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:19 am to
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Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test
Yes.

Keep testing, bring the stated penalties down to the level of our competition. Would give the coaches the ability to moderate the penalty.

There is no NCAA standard to worry about. The reason I mention this is because infractions where you do have to worry about NCAA penalties, on the program, you should have mandatory triggers. Example: academic eligibility. Whole program is at risk if not maintained, so might as well mandate suspensions.

From what I understand, it takes several fails to get multiple game suspensions which is fairly lax in most of our opinions. We do not know the frequency of testing however.

But still, "lax" should be put in context. That context is formed by the law and our peers/competition. If they piss hot combined with an arrest/citation, by all means ramp it up. But without a legal violation we should be doing what our peers do.

The joke of this is that some schools have very harsh penalties for pissing hot. But have no testing regime. So unless busted by the law, those penalties never come into play. But they will cite their "harshness" for PR value but no one ever questions why it never comes to fruition. (Ole Miss??)

I'd hate to see LSU go that route. So I say test, but put the penalties in the hands of the law and coaches. At least the staff knows who is doing it and can watch for other issues, such as late to meetings, etc.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79697 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:21 am to
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Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test


From what I understand, one positive test = about 6-8 positive tests already.

These guys are given plenty of leeway now.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:23 am to
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I'm certainly ok with not testing for marijuana, but has that really been a reason for suspensions and transfers?


this. since several states have legalizing it and many more are considering it i don't think LSU should test for it. how many suspensions do you see in the rest of the SEC for smoking pot? i don't think we know the truth about that or about why these players have been suspended. it may be for far more serious infractions. but, who on the rant demands proof? most just let rumor suffice and consider it a fact instead of what it usually is; GOSSIP.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10927 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:28 am to
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I don't think that they should bother testing for it at all. I'd prefer to see my players high on the couch at home watching a movie or playing video games instead of out at a bar.
Rant Pot Heads defending it's use in a college football program.

Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.
Posted by martiallaw
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
1454 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:32 am to
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Nope. Can't stay clean you don't play. We can't start enabling players.


Then by that logic we should start drug testing all the students at LSU and if not we are enabling the entire LSU student body.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16832 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:34 am to
I find it interesting that in Nick Saban's LSU "binder," way back in 2001, he forbade drugs and alcohol "in dorm rooms" but tellingly, no blanket forbidding.

LINK
Posted by Day Wisher
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2010
400 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to
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Rant Pot Heads defending it's use in a college football program.

Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.


I said I'd prefer them at home high instead of at a bar drunk. I'm not advocating they smoke during a game any more than a drinker would advocate mixing cocktails in the locker room at halftime.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64684 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to
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Should our compliance office lessen the penalty for positive marijuana test


no our players should be smarter. Many of them are going to be entering the workforce soon and may be required to take drug tests for their jobs. They need to be smarter. If they know they're going to be drug tested, then maybe don't smoke weed. It's not hard.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 11:38 am
Posted by 7nette
Member since Nov 2015
4909 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:37 am to
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Then by that logic we should start drug testing all the students at LSU and if not we are enabling the entire LSU student body.


The entire student body isn't in the national spotlight representing LSU.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:39 am to
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Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.



Don't smoke the day of a game, just like you would expect them to not drink the day of a game.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 11:41 am
Posted by tigbit
Member since Jun 2011
2800 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:40 am to
Seems to me that any non performance enhancing offenses should be treated the same way they would for any non student athlete.
Posted by djrunner
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
5318 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:41 am to
Let's not play with semantics.
No LSU is not the law. But we are both preparing these kids for the future and keeping up with NCAA regulations.
Do you have a job, do you get drug tested? Chances are if you work in the corporate world, the answer is yes. And it doesn't matter if the state you live in has legalized marijuana or not. If you work for a corporation and live in Denver, you are upheld to the same standards the rest of the country is. You fail the test, you get fired, legal or not.
Let's not forget that these are kids and we are not JUST trying to win football games.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70917 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:42 am to
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How ‘bout...don’t break the freaking law. Are marijuana laws outdated these days...yes. But it’s still the law.


How has no one thought of this? 10/10 post
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
9651 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:45 am to
Hell yes. We are at a competitive disadvantage.
We kicked arguably our best player ever off due to pot. It's gonna be legal soon anyway.
Posted by djrunner
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
5318 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 11:46 am to
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Then by that logic we should start drug testing all the students at LSU and if not we are enabling the entire LSU student body.




No, just the ones on scholarships.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10092 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:02 pm to
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Rant Pot Heads defending it's use in a college football program.

I don't use it, but smart enough to see the misguided imbalance between the alcohol acceptance and mj stigma.

quote:

Yes, we want em high, chilled out, slow thinking and unable to quickly process information and their assignments during a game.
Yep, Mathieu is the perfect example.
A hangover is what you're thinking of.


Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55656 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:39 pm to
we should test them as little as possible and do everything possible to help them pass NCAA tests
Posted by p0845330
Member since Aug 2013
5700 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:41 pm to
If a player isn't disciplined enough to follow the rules, he doesn't need to see the field. It's pretty simple.

I'm not questioning the safety or legality of weed, only the mindset of habitually ignoring well-known rules.
This post was edited on 9/23/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55656 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 12:44 pm to
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If a player isn't disciplined enough to follow the rules, he doesn't need to see the field. It's pretty simple.

but the rule is silly, so we should get rid of it.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34162 posts
Posted on 9/23/17 at 1:01 pm to
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How ‘bout...don’t break the freaking law.


The next time you look down and you are speeding, please pull over and flag down the next available LEO to give your dumb arse a ticket.
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