- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Short side option & play calling in general
Posted on 1/31/12 at 6:21 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 1/31/12 at 6:21 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Are all plays designed to break for a TD?
no..not even close.
a lot of plays are designed to be FIRST down plays.
any play that goes for a TD is welcome, but they were not DESIGNED to be broken for a TD.
0
Posted on 1/31/12 at 7:59 pm to LongTime Tiger
quote:
Short side option & play calling in general
in actuality, the only time I saw this work very well for LSU was in the first Bama game with JJ, mainly because Bama was probably not prepared for it. Other than that, it has been a below average play and I fricking hate it.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 9:18 pm to LongTime Tiger
All td's if everyone does his job.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 9:35 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Think about this, ur inside ur 20 and its 3rd and inches. Are u seriously gonna call a play that is more likely to go for 1-2 yards or one that may give you 80. Play calling all comes down to the flow of the game, offense and defense. Every coach of every sport on any level has made bad calls that they wish they had back.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 9:43 pm to LongTime Tiger
quote:
Short side option & play calling in general
To all offensive coordinators in TD:
Are all plays designed to break for a TD?
Are they all designed to make 4+ yards?
Here is a real answer man. No all plays are not designed to break for a TD. On passing plays it honestly depends on ur primary read. If it is a drag and it works. It might set up that big play for a TD. Same thing with the 4+yd plays, but every coach would love to pick that up per play except Chip Kelly maybe.
O and the short side option is run bc if u string it out to the wide side it gives the defense a better chance to make a play on the ball.
This post was edited on 1/31/12 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 1/31/12 at 9:45 pm to LongTime Tiger
Certain plays are designed to take advantage of anticipated defenses. That is why there are check with me's and meercat offenses, where the coaches make the checks from the sideline. Some plays are designed to set up other plays and to keep the defense honest. While I'm sure the coaches that design a certain scheme, would like each play to score, it is not a reality. Both teams playing have athletes and THEY are the ones that make the plays. Sometimes you take a low percentage shot down field just to loosen the defense up. It all looks good when you draw it up on the board. Players still have to make the plays! Thats why everyone on this board gets so caught up in recruiting. It's not like every team is playing with robots that are exactly equal. If recruiting was a science, every star in the NFL would come from AQ-BCS schools, you would never see the FCS or D-II guy make it the NFL. Anyone ever heard of Jerry Rice? I think to many people on this board think that playing ball is like playing Madden. I promise you playing Madden and playing ball aren't even close!
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 12:29 am
Posted on 1/31/12 at 10:33 pm to tcoachmc
All plays are designed to score except for qn sneaks(and even then). All plays are designed to create a 1 on 1 match up, either a rb on a safety, a wr on a corner, a qb on a linebacker, etc. All plays are designed in an effort to give you the chance to beat someone in a one on one match up, and if this is accomplished, then the chances for a score increase greatly. So yes, all plays are designed to put the players in a position to score a td.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 10:34 pm to TenaciousTig
quote:this is quite literally the dumbest shite i've ever read on here. Seriously.
Short and sweet answer...most teams HS thur Pro place more defenders to wide side of feild with the idea that there is more to defend. This leaves better numbers for the offense back to short side. Problem is the side line is the best defensive player on any team.
Posted on 1/31/12 at 11:52 pm to 7thWardTiger
That's what I was saying, but when you game plan, you know that not every play will score. You game plan with the thought of a certain play taking advantage of defensive schemes, whether that be numbers, 1 on 1 matchups, or a boundary/field advantage. That's why LSU and many other teams run speed/ stretch option into the short side of the field, to make the defense commit bodies and scheme somewhere and the use the same formations after that defensive commitment to attack the defense else where. Of course you design each play to score (when executed properly with the defense doing exactly what you KNOW they will do) it just doesn't work out that way because of the human eliment. You can get a lot of tendencies off of film, but the other staff is game planning you just like you are game planning them. Anyone that has played ball understands this.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 12:31 am
Posted on 2/1/12 at 12:04 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:
quote:
Short and sweet answer...most teams HS thur Pro place more defenders to wide side of feild with the idea that there is more to defend. This leaves better numbers for the offense back to short side. Problem is the side line is the best defensive player on any team.
this is quite literally the dumbest shite i've ever read on here. Seriously.
Actually this is the correct answer ... option to the short side is designed to take advantage of numbers since most defenses set the strength of their defense to the wide side of the field ... while we as fans tend to focus on the negative plays or plays that don't go for much yardage, it's not uncommon to see a lot of big plays to the short side ... additionally, you also want to run plays to the short side to stay out of tendencies.
As for whether every play is designed to score or gain X number of yards ... I would say that each play called is designed to work ... if a play call results in a score, so be it, but the minimum goal of most plays is four yards, unless it's inside of four yards to go for a first down or TD.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 12:05 am to LongTime Tiger
Is this a real question?
If any offensive play is executed perfect it can go for six.
If any offensive play is executed perfect it can go for six.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:18 am to LongTime Tiger
The option is designed to give the opportunity to stretch out the field if needed... This does no good when you have nowhere to go.
I hate the SSO...
I hate the SSO...
Posted on 2/1/12 at 5:01 am to liquid rabbit
quote:
punts are usually not designed to score a touch down.
Have you seen Tyrann on them returns, brah?
Posted on 2/1/12 at 6:27 am to Informer
quote:you don't fully understand what you're talking about. Teams run to the boundary. I don't know why, just do. Teams don't put extra numbers to the wide side. When people say they put their strength to the boundary, it means their most athletic players who can tackle in space. In fact, most teams, when facing a balanced set, make their strong call to the boundary. Teams adjust their alignment to the offense. If they put 3 wr's to the boundary, the defense is gonna put 4-5 defendors to the same side. They aren't gonna put 3 to the wr's side and 4 to the other side just because its the field side, like the original comment suggests, that's just retarded.
Actually this is the correct answer ... option to the short side is designed to take advantage of numbers since most defenses set the strength of their defense to the wide side of the field ... while we as fans tend to focus on the negative plays or plays that don't go for much yardage, it's not uncommon to see a lot of big plays to the short side ... additionally, you also want to run plays to the short side to stay out of tendencies.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 6:44 am to LongTime Tiger
Not every play is designed for a TD no. Some plays are designed to pick up first downs. 2nd and long plays might be designed to make the 3rd down a manageable distance, etc.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 6:56 am to Hung like Mule
Some plays are designed to set up other plays which could go for 6. Most run plays are designed to get rbs and safeties and corners in a one on one match up. Then it's up to Rb to make a play.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 8:33 am to ShortyRob
quote:.
There are strategic reasons to use it. It's no different than any other play in that it can be called at awful times or at good ones
Any Off. play, if executed and blocked is designed to be successful; what is successful?? That would depend on the down and game situation. It could be 2 yds and a first down, or 6 yds. and make a move on the safety for a big gain.. Its all realtive. As far as running the same plays over and over, thats not as dumb as some think, if its your game plan and your players execute and out play the other guy, it will work. Look at the Georgia and Arkansas game. We changed nothing, we just executed our blocking up front and the lanes opened up. In the NC game, that never happened.
Posted on 2/1/12 at 11:02 am to LongTime Tiger
All plays, besides the obvious few ST, QB sneak and V formaton are designed to score if executed properly by every player, especially WRs.
There are plays with a higher TD percentage, like flag, post plays, etc, but are all or nothing for yardage and have low success percentages.
SSO is just something parrots like to harp on, even from way back when the Option was was king.
To always run away from the boundary would show tendencies.
It can be tougher maintaing blocks wide side as todays faster LBs and DBs have more room to recover.
It is often an audible if the D overloads one side. This was pretty much the game winner 11-5-11.
There are plays with a higher TD percentage, like flag, post plays, etc, but are all or nothing for yardage and have low success percentages.
SSO is just something parrots like to harp on, even from way back when the Option was was king.
To always run away from the boundary would show tendencies.
It can be tougher maintaing blocks wide side as todays faster LBs and DBs have more room to recover.
It is often an audible if the D overloads one side. This was pretty much the game winner 11-5-11.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 3:56 pm to RBWilliams8
quote:
The option is designed to give the opportunity to stretch out the field if needed
That is the defense's objective - stretch the play out until you run into the sideline.
The QB's objective is to, if possible, get the ball as quickly as possible to the trail back without allowing the defender who is closest to the QB to be involved in the tackle. The RB then is supposed to square his shoulders to the line and find a hole.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:14 pm to LongTime Tiger
quote:
To all offensive coordinators in TD:
Are all plays designed to break for a TD?
Are they all designed to make 4+ yards?
Thanks for the input -some better than others.
To the following:
ShortyRob, tigerfoot, OldTigahFot, rbdallas, dgnx6, delarge 05, tcoachmc, Informer, Hung Like Mule, SteveLSU35, lake chuck fan, & Mayhawman
Good understanding of the game and intelligent comments! One point - sometimes defenses ARE set to overload the wide side but most often they respond to offensive alignment. It all depends on tendencies of the offense. So both arguements can be correct.
Point- SSO is designed to keep D honest but also to get the RB on the corner quickly to have a chance to get past the pursuit. The QB/RB have no choice but to turn it up, where one missed tackle can lead to a long gain. Major problem - JJ almost never ran it correctly to either side.
To the rest of the serious responders: the Bengal Belle Football Clinic will be held in August. Sign up now to learn some football!
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 4:16 pm
Page 2 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News