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re: SAVE LSU to be at dome today

Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:35 pm to
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What departments of the school are you upset about getting cut back? I also thought a final decision had not been reached.


From USATODAY, AP article was in NY TIMES, SAN FRAN CHRONICLE, SEATTLE TIMES, etc...this

BATON ROUGE, La. — The latest round of college budget cuts, combined with threats of still more to come, provoked protest Tuesday from LSU faculty and students and a burgeoning movement that promised more organized opposition when negotiations on next year's budget begin.
The gathering of about 150 professors, instructors and students was billed as a "memorial service" to lament cuts in state funding that the protestors called devastating to the campus. They picked a location sure to attract attention: across the street from a celebration event for LSU's 150th anniversary.

"We suffered from some cuts last year, but this year's cuts are really going to decimate the curriculum," said Helen A. Regis, an associate professor in the Department of Geography and Anthropology.

The campus' annual budget was cut by nearly $13 million this month, as agencies across state government lost money in budget reductions ordered by Gov. Bobby Jindal to close a midyear deficit. That comes on top of a reduction in state funding earlier this year.

Notices are going out to about 300 instructors, telling them they may be laid off at the end of the year if the school grapples with another round of expected budget cuts starting in July when the new fiscal year begins.

John Wharton Lowe, an English professor, said laying off the instructors in his department would leave nearly all introductory composition classes, required for most students, without a teacher. Professors would have to teach those classes, and they may not be able to fit in many other specialized courses needed for English majors and graduate students, he said.

"If you can't get the courses you need, you can't graduate. And this is going to have a devastating effect on course availability," he said. "It's just unthinkable that they'll do this."

Organizers of Tuesday's protest collaborated on the social networking site Facebook, and they pledged a continued, coordinated effort to oppose further budget cuts for higher education.

"We will keep the pressure on them," said Tania Nyman, an English instructor who organized the protest event.

Nyman said Jindal and lawmakers worsened the state's money problems by passing a tax cut for middle- and upper-income workers.

"Gov. Jindal wants you to think these budget cuts are necessary belt-tightening in tough economic times. That's not true," Nyman told the crowd.

A spokesman for the governor, Kyle Plotkin, said the state's income took a hit this year because of falling sales tax collections as spending shrank in the tight economy. Plotkin said the tax cuts helped Louisiana's economy fare better than other states during the recession.

"Increasing taxes now on Louisiana families and businesses and taking more money out of their pockets is exactly the wrong thing to do during these tough economic times," Plotkin said.
Posted by Guster
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
4441 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:42 pm to
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Nobody got back to me with the % of the state budget and grant monies higher education gets... I wonder why?


A little over 9% (~3 billion). With 3% ($98 mill) OF that 9% being constitutional protected, so 97% of the higher education budget is subjected to cuts.

Departments with a higher amount of budget money:
Executive: $7 billion
Health and Hospitals: $7.9 billion
Dept of Education: $5 billion

Imo, tuition needs to be raised and decrease the number of postsecondary public institutions in the state.
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:43 pm to
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how much is the budget cuts for the department of correction and public safety? everything I have read saying health care and education are being the hardest hit. The only thing I can find about budget cuts for department of correction is they are going to buying bulks foods to save money.


I don't know a number. All I know is that we are operating with less money and it is effecting shite big time. In the staff meeting last week, they said more job cuts could come very soon for my office, limited vehicle repairs, no new auto purchases, they are taking supplies away from us, parole boards aren't waiving fees, no new equipment, etc. on top of the cutbacks we have already taken. And you know what, I didn't have a gripe about it until all of these educators start protesting about their cuts. I can handle losing my job or taking a pay cut, but I won't stand for an dangerous offender harming the public because a English 101 instructor doesn't want to lose his job.

Healthcare and higher education are getting hit the hardest because they have the highest budgets. Makes sense, huh?
Posted by slaphappy
Kansas City
Member since Nov 2005
2340 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:44 pm to
Here's the deal...the administration of LSU Baton Rouge is taking zero personnel cuts....Their unrealistic salaries are obscene...One associate vice chancellor's salary could fund three English instructors. They tend to cut what makes the most noise in the media and creates outcry from the public. It's a political shame that no one in Thomas Boyd Hall really cares about education, only self preservation. I will never give a penny to LSU, nor will I support any tax increase for them as long as the administration operates with such disregard for its fiduciary responsibility for the funds it does receive.

Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:46 pm to
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closing Nicholls? Link? I have to read anything regarding that.

Nothing close to official or anything. They have been taking about closing some of these schools or reducing them to 2 year schools for some time now. Everyone thinks their schools is untouchable and crucial to the education system. Guy from down the bayou, "Where are all the kids from down here going to go to school? They can't afford to go anywhere else". Louisiana with 24657 public colleges is hilarious.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:47 pm to
Three departments — the corrections, juvenile justice and military agencies — didn't get budget cuts in Jindal's executive order. But those departments already faced their own shortfalls, and they have to make cuts to close their internal budget gaps.

Louisiana's prisons are increasing their use of technology: substituting cameras for guards in watchtowers and expanding video court proceedings so inmates don't have to leave prison. Prison menus are being standardized so the Department of Corrections can purchase food in bulk, and inmates who got three hot meals a day now can expect a sack lunch for one of those meals.

"We want to assure citizens that the department is identifying efficiencies while continuing to protect our core mission of providing critical public safety services for the people of Louisiana," said Corrections Secretary Jimmy LeBlanc.

Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:49 pm to
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Imo, tuition needs to be raised and decrease the number of postsecondary public institutions in the state.

Yes, but the number of state employees Louisiana has is obscene. Cutbacks need to be made in EVERY department including higher education.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:51 pm to
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In the staff meeting last week, they said more job cuts could come very soon for my office, limited vehicle repairs, no new auto purchases, they are taking supplies away from us, parole boards aren't waiving fees, no new equipment, etc. on top of the cutbacks we have already taken


every dept at LSU has been doing that for 2 years now. LSU has taken 43 Million in cuts the past 2 years. Now in July if things dont change it'll be 1/3 of the instructors at LSU being laid off because most departments are maxed out in how much more they can cut.

Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
31930 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:51 pm to
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oh, I just assumed most saints fans could decipher the difference between Minn and LSU.


most people would do the same. this is just another reason for people to bitch about something. there was a huge thread on it like a week ago. some folks just need thicker skin, thats all
Posted by Guster
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
4441 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 12:52 pm to
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how much is the budget cuts for the department of correction and public safety?



According to the budget document which I am perusing:

Corrections: $45 million of a $543 million budget.

Public Safety: $23 million of a $387 million budget.

Now the document I'm looking at is a FY 09-10 budget. So, I would assume it's very very likely they are still cutting more monies from all the depts that are listed here.
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 1:03 pm to
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Three departments — the corrections, juvenile justice and military agencies — didn't get budget cuts in Jindal's executive order.

So you are saying I'm lying? Yeah we have been effected by a massive shortfall and money from our department has been re-allocated. You think an executive order for budget cutbacks is the only way a department can lose money?

quote:

There have been news reports that current year cuts for these two areas could be in the $160 million range for DHH, and the $109 million range for higher education; however, the administration worked to make strategic reductions in every department in order to mitigate the level of reductions in health care and higher education. As a result of these efforts, current year spending reductions for DHH are $118 million, and higher education’s necessary cost-savings measures were reduced by half – down to $55.2 million.


Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 1:09 pm to
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every dept at LSU has been doing that for 2 years now.

Same in my department. Like I said before, the higher education is bloated and needs some substantial cuts. And yes, I understand the outrageous constitutionality of the cuts, which I don't agree with.

Posted by dranknpurple
austin
Member since Nov 2007
2181 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 1:17 pm to
and why exactly does an education system that funds FIVE major universities for a state population smaller than the city of houston need to be "saved"?
Posted by Guster
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
4441 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 1:28 pm to
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and why exactly does an education system that funds FIVE major universities for a state population smaller than the city of houston need to be "saved"?



But the solution is not to keep all 5 universities and slash each budget by deathly amounts.
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 1:36 pm to
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But the solution is not to keep all 5 universities and slash each budget by deathly amounts.

Political move and/or short term solution, imo. Just think of the polictical suicide if they actually shut down one of these prestigous universities. It will take a while to actually shut down a university if they decide to. We need to make cuts now, not down the road.
Posted by HotDamn
Member since Dec 2009
326 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 1:52 pm to
The Dept of Corrections is as much of a bureaucratic mess as any facet of our government. Quit your bitchin and do your job. I'm paying your salary!
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
2975 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 2:01 pm to
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The Dept of Corrections is as much of a bureaucratic mess as any facet of our government. Quit your bitchin and do your job. I'm paying your salary!

Wow...maybe you can't read. My department is taking the cuts in stride. Its the higher education jerks who can't take any sacrifices (you also pay their salary btw). Maybe I should stop doing my job and hope you get fricked in the process. I would fricking love that. I'll happily give you your .005 of a cent back that goes toward my salary if you don't want the protections I give. You act like I have a say in the bureaucracy. Keep flipping my burgers son. I most likely pay your salary, too.
Posted by mikethetiger
Member since Nov 2004
1879 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 2:10 pm to
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LSU has taken 43 Million in cuts the past 2 years.


How much did the LSU budget increase soon after Katrina because of the windfall of taxes from reconstruction. If you compare the cuts to the increases from a couple years ago, LSU might still be better off today than they were before Katrina.
This post was edited on 1/24/10 at 2:13 pm
Posted by mikethetiger
Member since Nov 2004
1879 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 2:30 pm to
LSU's enrollment pre-Katrina was as high as 31,000. LSU now has an enrollment of about 25,000. That's a decrease of 15%. How much has the LSU overall budget decreased from before Katrina to now? After these last round of cuts, LSU's is near or above the budget back when the student population was 31,000.

Maybe LSU DOES need to get rid of some of these instructors and staff to bring the student to staff ratio back into a more manageable/affordable range. There's nothing wrong with becoming a lean running organization, much like thousands of business have had to do in the last year or so. We, people in the private sector, have been dealing with no pay raises, job cuts, increased responsibilities, etc. I don't feel sorry if government workers now have to bite the bullet and experience reality like the rest of us private-sector employees have had to indure.
This post was edited on 1/24/10 at 2:34 pm
Posted by ganttenator
Thompson's Station Tn.
Member since Aug 2006
1294 posts
Posted on 1/24/10 at 2:33 pm to
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