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re: Saban & Miles were average coaches before LSU
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:54 am to winston318
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:54 am to winston318
bullshite. Saban was a superior coach at an average football school at Michigan State.
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:55 am to Alatgr
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Your recollection is faulty.
I think you are probably agreeing with my point but Tell me which LSU player you would have taken over the Mich St player?
Derrick Mason-Shedrick Wilson
Mushin Muhammed-Eddie Kennison
Tony Banks-Herb Tyler
Flozell Adams-Ben Bordelon
Izell Reese-Allen Stansbury
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:55 am to winston318
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Saban & Miles were average coaches before LSU
Below average poster!
Saban took over a Michigan State program on probation and built them into a power. Unfortunately the guy who succeeded him, kinda like Miles, brought it back down.
He built this program, left Miles a National Championship team and Miles maintained the level of talent. Unfortunately Miles Coaching didn't equal his recruiting talent.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:55 am to vjm41
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LSU blowing a 21 point lead to Tenn, I KNEW WHY
There are plenty other examples to use. This one is faulty. Guys were playing on a Monday night on fumes after Katrina chaos. They were gassed in second half. That season may have been Miles best. Won the West after that disaster. Kept team together. Played like 10 weeks straight after losing bye week.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:57 am to winston318
Miles still is an average coach. The talent at his disposal has given this man more appreciation then is deservered.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:57 am to vjm41
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Mich ST fought like hell to keep Saban when LSU came calling
This is not true. Lsu offered to make Saban the 3rd highest paid coach in the land at the time and Mich St did not counter offer.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 11:57 am to shel311
"Another coach absolutely can succeed.
But we can also go the route of USC . . . "
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Last time I checked, LSU wasn't on NCAA probation with only an average of 16 scholarships to be afforded each year over the next four years.
But we can also go the route of USC . . . "
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Last time I checked, LSU wasn't on NCAA probation with only an average of 16 scholarships to be afforded each year over the next four years.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:00 pm to winston318
LSU's hiring history definitely suggests that they're going to buy low, looking for an undervalued asset.
So that absolutely rules out the Jimbo/Chip talk, not that they were realistic options anyway.
So that absolutely rules out the Jimbo/Chip talk, not that they were realistic options anyway.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:03 pm to Goldrush25
LSU's hiring history definitely suggests that they're going to buy low, looking for an undervalued asset.
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The Stakes have changed. The potential of enhancing this recruiting class has to be the desire of the money providers. The money says one doesn't buy out $15,000,000 over eight years only to apply a paltry portion of that amount yearly for a replacement. Look for a salary north of $5,000,000 and perhaps even close to Saban's to make any move worth while financially.
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The Stakes have changed. The potential of enhancing this recruiting class has to be the desire of the money providers. The money says one doesn't buy out $15,000,000 over eight years only to apply a paltry portion of that amount yearly for a replacement. Look for a salary north of $5,000,000 and perhaps even close to Saban's to make any move worth while financially.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:04 pm to ruzil
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I believe Saban had a record of 42-42 when we hired him. The definition of mediocrity
And multiple NFL teams tried to hire him as their head coach while he was at Michigan State
That is the definition of a mediocre college football head coach
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:05 pm to vjm41
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Now Mich ST fought like hell to keep Saban when LSU came calling on the other hand OAK ST put up no fight at all, which seemed strange to me at the time, but after his 2nd game at LSU blowing a 21 point lead to Tenn, I KNEW WHY
Jesus, dude. I want Miles gone as much as anyone, but THAT was easily the most forgivable loss in the Les Miles era. The fact that he gets NO credit for winning the west that year with only 1 loss is really an indictment of the average LSU fan.
Yes, it's time for both the school and coach to move on, but damn, that Tennessee loss doesn't even make the list of reasons why.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:07 pm to winston318
I said as much. Throw Dinardo in there as well. That was pre BCS NC. 10 wins was a big thing back then.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:09 pm to Weaver
This is silly, they have better talent here than where they came from. Period
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:12 pm to winston318
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winston318
stfu you miserable pos. You were on here the other day saying how Les was a terrible choice from day one, and YOU KNEW IT.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:13 pm to NoNameTiger
The lost to Tenn was just a warning and sign of things to come. EXAM get a lead and sit on it.nothing more or nothing less was meant
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:16 pm to Alatgr
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I'd really like to use some alternate universe machine and see what Miles record would have been had he stayed at Okie St or gone to some other school, because I'm convinced it would not be nearly as good as it has been at LSU. LSU made Miles as much as he made it.
Then what happened to Archer, Hallman, Dinardo? Why weren't they successful at LSU if it's so easy? Because it's not
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:18 pm to roygu
I wouldnt say Saban built Mich St into a power. 34-24-1 and 0-3 in bottom rung bowl games and no conference championships. They were ranked #9 in the country when he left in his 5th year but that was the first good year he had there. Once he got to LSU he won a conference championship in his second year then another one plus a national championship in his fourth year.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:21 pm to The Blue Stuff
Hallman ,Archer, Dinardo would have been every bit as successful as Miles following Satan. Matter of Fact Archer went 10-1-1 in a season when he had talent, imagine him having talent like Miles every year.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:31 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
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Nick saban has never been an average coach
At Michigan State
1995 6-5-1
1996 6-6
1997 7-5
1998 6-6
1999 10-2
What is your definition of average?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 12:33 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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You were on here the other day saying how Les was a terrible choice from day one, and YOU KNEW IT.
So whats your point
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