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Rules question re Alabama's on-side kick
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:51 pm
Watching the replay, the kicker's planted (L) foot was about half-yard ahead of the 35 yardline (and football) when contact was made with the ball with his R foot.
Why is the kicker allowed to do this? Is there an exception in the rules somewhere?
Thanks in advance!
Why is the kicker allowed to do this? Is there an exception in the rules somewhere?
Thanks in advance!
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:56 pm to Froghair
quote:Not gonna lie....I have always wondered that myself.....just like why is a holder not considered down on a fake field goal attempt.
Why is the kicker allowed to do this? Is there an exception in the rules somewhere?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 11:58 pm to Oddibe
You just blew my mind
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:00 am to Mathias5k
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You just blew my mind
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:02 am to Oddibe
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why is a holder not considered down on a fake field goal attempt.
I've never thought about this in college football
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 12:02 am
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:06 am to Oddibe
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why is a holder not considered down on a fake field goal attempt.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:26 am to Oddibe
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just like why is a holder not considered down on a fake field goal attempt
Mine is why is a spike not intentional grounding? The quarterback is literally intentionally grounding the ball.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 12:43 am to BigOrangeWave
I believe there is a rules exception for intentionally spiking that was instituted in the (relatively) recent past--maybe 10-15 years??? I don't believe it used to be the case.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:30 am to Froghair
NCAA Rules Interpretations
The rules on intentional ground includes language that it is being done to prevent a loss of yards from a sack. Spiking the ball to stop the clock isn't being done to stop a loss of yards.
There is an exception for the holder so that he's not down when he kneels. There was a lot of discussion of this back when Les was the coach and we ran a fake where the holder (Flynn) blindly threw it over his shoulder to the kicker (David).
Fake FG
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SECTION 18. Encroachment and Offside
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Offside occurs when one or more players of the kicking team are not behind their restraining line when the ball is legally free-kicked.(Exception: The kicker and holder are not offside when they are beyond their restraining line.)
The rules on intentional ground includes language that it is being done to prevent a loss of yards from a sack. Spiking the ball to stop the clock isn't being done to stop a loss of yards.
There is an exception for the holder so that he's not down when he kneels. There was a lot of discussion of this back when Les was the coach and we ran a fake where the holder (Flynn) blindly threw it over his shoulder to the kicker (David).
Fake FG
Posted on 11/14/19 at 4:18 am to Froghair
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the kicker's planted (L) foot was about half-yard ahead of the 35 yardline
I noticed this as well. According to this rules as I understand them that is offsides.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 4:46 am to Tigers eyes
Whether it’s a fake kick or a regular fg or extra pt attempt, without the rule the play would be over as soon as it’s snapped to the holder.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 4:52 am to Froghair
I asked a buddy of mine about this. He's been a high school coach for 30 years and he agreed it would be offsides but said in all his years he's never seen it called just cause kicking the ball onsides would be impossible without stepping over the line
Posted on 11/14/19 at 5:42 am to Froghair
Jesus, people:
1. Kicker can be past the line when kicking.
2. It’s only grounding if the QB is under duress. Not under duress when spiking.
3. Exception made in rules for holder during kicks.
1. Kicker can be past the line when kicking.
2. It’s only grounding if the QB is under duress. Not under duress when spiking.
3. Exception made in rules for holder during kicks.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 5:45 am to DocBugbear
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The rules on intentional ground includes language that it is being done to prevent a loss of yards from a sack. Spiking the ball to stop the clock isn't being done to stop a loss of yards
And the QB cant pump fake then spike, I just saw this happen in a game a few weeks ago
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:00 am to Froghair
Bc football rules have always been loosely written and interpreted. It is that way on purpose. There’s too much money involved to not give the officials wiggle room
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:07 am to Oddibe
You too? Man I’ve ALWAYS wondered the same thing
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:18 am to Putty
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Jesus, people
WHERE?????????????
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:24 am to Putty
Putty answered question and is correct.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 6:27 am to Froghair
This is an exception to the offside rule. Many rules have exceptions to cover specific situations. All exceptions include very limited actions on the part of the player. Note: I am a high school football official. Broadcasters and coaches are not rules experts.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 7:04 am to Froghair
Just to consolidate again and add one caveat.
1. There is an exception in the rules for kickers and holder(for those really windy days) on kickoffs regarding offsides.
2. The QB is allowed to spike in order to stop the clock and not be called for grounding but cannot fake or do anything to simulate an actual play first.
3. In college, by rule, the holder is not considered down when on one knee (unless touched by a defender, of course) and can toss the ball to a teammate from that position. In high school, the rule is different. The holder is not down on one knee provided the kick occurs but is down if he attempts to pitch the ball to a teammate while on his knee. This occurred this year in a game between Lafayette Christian and Evangel.
1. There is an exception in the rules for kickers and holder(for those really windy days) on kickoffs regarding offsides.
2. The QB is allowed to spike in order to stop the clock and not be called for grounding but cannot fake or do anything to simulate an actual play first.
3. In college, by rule, the holder is not considered down when on one knee (unless touched by a defender, of course) and can toss the ball to a teammate from that position. In high school, the rule is different. The holder is not down on one knee provided the kick occurs but is down if he attempts to pitch the ball to a teammate while on his knee. This occurred this year in a game between Lafayette Christian and Evangel.
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