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re: REINSTATE>Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 8/31/11 at 5:58 am to Goldfinger
Posted on 8/31/11 at 5:58 am to Goldfinger
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Unless they show us why he is guilty. Without a doubt guilty.
I really think the BRPD is, wetting their beds, worried about proving to anyone, much less the rant, about JJ's guilt.
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Posted on 8/31/11 at 6:06 am to Goldfinger
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Show what ya got or LSU should reinstate Jordan Jefferson now. If they show a overwhelming case then keep him off the field but otherwise let the boy play football.
The "show us what ya got" is called probable cause and is what the police had in order to arrest. Probable cause is > (symbol!!) 50%. You're asking for evidence of much more than that. Do you really think that BRPD would arrest JJ days after a bar fight and search warrant after the incident made national media if they didn't have a strong case? The charge was second degree battery. The fact that this case was investigated so thoroughly for a bar fight and resulted in an arrest for second degree battery suggests to me that BRPD is pretty sure of what they found.
For letting him play football.. he's been arrested on a felony count and is awaiting trial. Miles would be disrespecting the team and fans if he did that. I take my kids to games.
This post was edited on 8/31/11 at 6:10 am
Posted on 8/31/11 at 6:09 am to 500
quote:
"Unless they show us why he is guilty. Without a doubt guilty. "
This happens in court, not a police station.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 6:24 am to Goldfinger
I love Port Aransas, that being said- Jefferson needed to be suspended. Now, Jefferson needs to stay suspended.
Public Evidence? Really?
I will wager that Coach Miles brought every player in his office and said something to the effect of: "I already know what happened, if you like playing football for LSU- you will tell me the truth about your involvement and everyone else's. So, start talking."
I think that the private evidence against Jefferson is worse than anything we have seen on Youtube or read in papers or forums. I discount all the posturing by Jefferson's attorney and rely more on what Miles has done.
A football program has to be greater than any one player. Jefferson is paying that price.
Public Evidence? Really?
I will wager that Coach Miles brought every player in his office and said something to the effect of: "I already know what happened, if you like playing football for LSU- you will tell me the truth about your involvement and everyone else's. So, start talking."
I think that the private evidence against Jefferson is worse than anything we have seen on Youtube or read in papers or forums. I discount all the posturing by Jefferson's attorney and rely more on what Miles has done.
A football program has to be greater than any one player. Jefferson is paying that price.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 6:45 am to Goldfinger
You have a top 5 team that is 3 days away from the first game. You have a "QB" who is involved in a legal matter related to a bar fight in which there was enough evidence to not only arrest him but also suspend him. Do you want to rely on that guy to be your team leader and QB? Can you trust him to focus on the task at hand, which is winning football games, while also dealing with his off the field issues? The answer is no and until he can clear his name he shouldn't be allowed to be with the team. It wouldn't be a distraction if he was a 5th string guy like Josh Johns. But as a senior QB, it's pretty important you have your shite together and can focus.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:24 am to Chazz Reinhold
We don't need Jefferson we have a OB. A damn good one.
Posted on 8/31/11 at 7:24 am to 500
quote:No.
The "show us what ya got" is called probable cause and is what the police had in order to arrest. Probable cause is > (symbol!!) 50%.
Probable cause is not greater than 50%.
Probable cause is merely "reasonable belief." That's it.
Probable cause only means that the police just have to have a "reasonable belief" that Jefferson committed a crime.
It can be based upon one person's allegations.
This post was edited on 8/31/11 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 8/31/11 at 9:25 am to just me
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Probable cause is merely "reasonable suspicion." That's it.
Probable cause only means that the police just have to have a "reasonable suspicion" that Jefferson committed a crime.
Let me help you here. In legal terms, "reasonable suspicion" means that a law enforcement officer has evidence to suggest that a person "might" be involved in criminal activity. With this level of suspicious, a police officer may seize a subject on a temporary basis to determine if the subject is involved in the commission of a crime. With reasonable suspicion, a police officer can: initiate a traffic stop, detain subjects or seize items during the course of a brief investigation.
Probable cause is a whole different animal. Legally speaking, it means that law enforcement personnel feel that a person is "probably" involved in criminal activity. Very subtle difference in the wording but with a huge difference. With probable cause, officers may permanently seize (arrest) a subject. The brief investigation has been conducted and the officer believes that a crime has been committed, a subject(s) have been taken into custody, and enough evidence exists to suggest he committed the crime.
Here's how it goes:
Some/mere suspicion
Reasonable suspicion
Probable cause
Reasonable certainty
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt (determined by a jury)
So reasonable suspicion =/= probable cause.
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