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re: Recruiting is Miles’ problem, not coaching decisions
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:10 pm to lsufan0807
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:10 pm to lsufan0807
Miles recruiting has been overrated to a point due to the lack of a viable QB and Oline productivity and depth, as Daniels points out....However, overall, the perception of Miles's recruiting prowess as overshadowing his coaching is largely correct I believe.
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:12 pm to MetArl15
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Miles recruiting has been overrated to a point due to the lack of a viable QB and Oline productivity and depth,
Miles recruited them...they just didn't stay. O-line attrition has been horrible.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:15 pm to Uncommon Cents
A lot of fail in that article.
Nothing but spin.
LSU has the talent on the field to win against the Elite teams.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:16 pm to Choctaw
just went back and looked at recruiting for the past 3 years and it has been horible for o lineman. He has three already for next year. and i think he got 2 last year and 2 the year before. I am surprised the oline has performed as good as it has.
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:16 pm to 1p56
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Miles is a decent QB away from never having lost more than 2 games in a year.
That is a fact that most everyone overlooks.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:18 pm to Cornholio
you should always build of your oline
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:23 pm to dreaux
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jarvis jones and McCoy were two top lineman that did not work out.
Jones especially, was a big loss; but we kick him off the team, OU picks him up, background issues forgiven. Reminds me of a few years earlier with Phil Loadholt too- couldn't make the grades @ LSU but had no issues @ OU either...ummm...detect a pattern??
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:27 pm to 1p56
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Miles is a decent QB away from never having lost more than 2 games in a year.
I don't know....the defense was pretty bad in '08.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:30 pm to lsufan0807
His facts are not in-tact, and he fails to see how Crowton is anything but special, but he is correct in general that Miles recruiting retention and recruiting "rotational pattern" has been inadequate, albeit he makes this point poorly.
Bottom line is that the QB and Oline positions are probably the most important on the entire team, and these are the areas where Miles has fared the worse. And the QB and Oline performance or lack thereof will be the determining factor in whether LSU has an ok or special year in 2010.
Bottom line is that the QB and Oline positions are probably the most important on the entire team, and these are the areas where Miles has fared the worse. And the QB and Oline performance or lack thereof will be the determining factor in whether LSU has an ok or special year in 2010.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:46 pm to dreaux
Why didn't he mention the linemen saban recruited in 02, 03, and 05? Oh yeah cus he only had one... Will Arnold. Miles got the kids here they just didn't say. And WTF was he talking about the rbs??? We have never been thin at the position, except for when the top 3 got injured. That would hurt any team. Where would bama be if ingram, Trent, and lacy got hurt?
Not to mention he didn't include a shite load of olinemen on there. We could have used loadholt. No guarantee any of those guys would be starting now. They def would have given us depth last season, but what do you expect when you only have used 2 left tackles in 8 seasons....
Qbs since miles has been here... 2 5*, 3 4*, 1 3*. seems about rt for every program. Every single one of them had offers from other d1 programs.
Not to mention he didn't include a shite load of olinemen on there. We could have used loadholt. No guarantee any of those guys would be starting now. They def would have given us depth last season, but what do you expect when you only have used 2 left tackles in 8 seasons....
Qbs since miles has been here... 2 5*, 3 4*, 1 3*. seems about rt for every program. Every single one of them had offers from other d1 programs.
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 9/22/10 at 5:51 pm to dgnx6
in 2007 he recruited only one tarting running back was a nice touch. i was waiting on him to mention that he has only recruited 22 players that start on either offense or defense. this article is dumb
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:04 pm to lsufan0807
Chances are, if Dayne Crist had not fallen for Charlie Weiss' con-job on him, we might be co-favorites to win the SEC.
That was not Miles' fault. Weiss fooled the kid into believeing he had a legitiment shot at starting and that did not turn out to be true.
That was not Miles' fault. Weiss fooled the kid into believeing he had a legitiment shot at starting and that did not turn out to be true.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:17 pm to Coco Rose
I hate this kind of crap. Look...if miles had recruited a bunch of olineman that were busts on the field...yeah I see the point.
If miles had recruited a bunch of high risk behavior kids that didn't make it because of that stuff got the better of them...well okay.
If miles had just not signed any olineman then fine...I get it.
But this isn't what happened. The only thing you can say is the attrition was bad. But then you have to look at why. All the guys booted were not high risk and were surprising problems. One of the guys just decided he didn't want to play anymore. How is that his fault? These are basically bad luck...nothing more.
The qb issue I will give you. Miles had enough heads up that RP was a head case to prepare....he didn't. That is on him.
My contention has always been two things: 1. miles only huge mistake is the co DC thing. 2. Miles "coaching" problems are for more related to not having a good qb than they are to coaching. Look at the Saban team wih Randall starting...pretty similar.
If miles had recruited a bunch of high risk behavior kids that didn't make it because of that stuff got the better of them...well okay.
If miles had just not signed any olineman then fine...I get it.
But this isn't what happened. The only thing you can say is the attrition was bad. But then you have to look at why. All the guys booted were not high risk and were surprising problems. One of the guys just decided he didn't want to play anymore. How is that his fault? These are basically bad luck...nothing more.
The qb issue I will give you. Miles had enough heads up that RP was a head case to prepare....he didn't. That is on him.
My contention has always been two things: 1. miles only huge mistake is the co DC thing. 2. Miles "coaching" problems are for more related to not having a good qb than they are to coaching. Look at the Saban team wih Randall starting...pretty similar.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:45 pm to lsufan0807
Posted on 9/22/10 at 6:54 pm to tigersruledude
why doesnt fricking saban get the shite for bombing on olinemen? 02, 03 an d05 were busts. So 03.... five year players would be playing in 08. 05...5 year players would be playing in 10.
Miles did not suck on recruiting olinemen. And lets think...none of the oline men from 04 played a down of football under saban. So they got coached by miles. He had to recruit heavily in 06 cus the lack of depth from 02 and 03. So career ending injuries, some bad apples that never had problems before, a death in a guys family, and a guy who didnt want to back up ciron black for 4 yeas. Not everyone wants to be a ryan miller. The people who say we lack talent on the oline, really? 3 games in and the younger guys are already having a better year than last. Regardless of ho wmany olinemen he recruited, we would have frst year starters last year and this year.
Two huge mistakes miles has made. The d coordinators, and not having a back up plan for Z. Lee. The co d has been fixed and we have a good shot at getting a very talented JUCO.
Miles did not suck on recruiting olinemen. And lets think...none of the oline men from 04 played a down of football under saban. So they got coached by miles. He had to recruit heavily in 06 cus the lack of depth from 02 and 03. So career ending injuries, some bad apples that never had problems before, a death in a guys family, and a guy who didnt want to back up ciron black for 4 yeas. Not everyone wants to be a ryan miller. The people who say we lack talent on the oline, really? 3 games in and the younger guys are already having a better year than last. Regardless of ho wmany olinemen he recruited, we would have frst year starters last year and this year.
Two huge mistakes miles has made. The d coordinators, and not having a back up plan for Z. Lee. The co d has been fixed and we have a good shot at getting a very talented JUCO.
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/22/10 at 11:08 pm to BigAppleTiger
He is some what correct. LSU didn't have many draft picks last year. Most of the ones they had were latter rounds. Example d line really bad o line bad. Linebackers average. Running backs ok but nothing special. Qb enough said. Wide outs good and d backs good.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 12:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I don't disagree with this, but would say that he seems to be focusing on need now...IF he can get a QB. I guess I'm thinking linemen...he seems to be focusing on good linemen now, especially this coming class. Gotta get a solid QB or three though before he can get an A.
I give Miles a B in recruiting. His classes are worth an A, if you look at star power. If you look at need, its not quite as good. Still a good overall recruiter.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 6:50 am to cepheid
don't get the venom, faire assesment. The real problem is, I don't care which it is. If we lose because he can't coach, or if we lose because he can't recruit, I just don't want to lose.
I will say, thus far, I've been impressed with some of the adjustments he has made this season, but he still has to be the most overemployed man in america.
I will say, thus far, I've been impressed with some of the adjustments he has made this season, but he still has to be the most overemployed man in america.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 6:52 am to lsufan0807
top ten class every year. I dont think having a top ten class is the problem
Posted on 9/23/10 at 7:16 am to dreaux
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this happens at every school. It's call attrition.
+1 We still have our legal # of players on scholarship like other division 1 teams.
This post was edited on 9/23/10 at 7:21 am
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