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Realistic odds of lightning hitting a player???
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:19 pm
Is anyone aware of a peer-reviewed paper that explains the likelihood of a player on a baseball field getting hit by lightning? I've searched but can't find one.
I'd be very surprised to find that the risk would be anything higher than negligible of lightning that's detected five miles away, would pass up all these light poles, the flag poles, the metal grandstand roof, the scoreboard, the foul poles, the metal bleachers, and strike a player.
I can't even find an case where lightning struck a player (or fan) at a substantial venue.
I know that lightning has struck a human as far as eleven miles away from a storm before, but that was a cyclist on a barren hilltop (incidentally the sky around him was clear and sunny).
I'm not advocating that we should play in the middle of a lightning storm, but when cloud-to-could is detected several miles away, I see no reason to not play. We should be playing right now.
I'd be very surprised to find that the risk would be anything higher than negligible of lightning that's detected five miles away, would pass up all these light poles, the flag poles, the metal grandstand roof, the scoreboard, the foul poles, the metal bleachers, and strike a player.
I can't even find an case where lightning struck a player (or fan) at a substantial venue.
I know that lightning has struck a human as far as eleven miles away from a storm before, but that was a cyclist on a barren hilltop (incidentally the sky around him was clear and sunny).
I'm not advocating that we should play in the middle of a lightning storm, but when cloud-to-could is detected several miles away, I see no reason to not play. We should be playing right now.
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:20 pm to SlapahoeTribe
You mean specific for baseball?
Can't it be argued that's it's low since there are rules to stop play when it gets close?
Can't it be argued that's it's low since there are rules to stop play when it gets close?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:21 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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I can't even find an case where lightning struck a player (or fan) at a substantial venue.
yeah, because they aren't playing numbskull
do you really wanna be the school that has that happen ONE time?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:22 pm to SlapahoeTribe
One of my HS coaches was on the LSU 1958 national championship team. Lighting struck at practice one time. I don't remember if he said anyone was killed, but several were hurt. All it takes is one time.
TBH, I think spectators are more at risk than players. They're at a higher elevation, sitting on metal seats.
TBH, I think spectators are more at risk than players. They're at a higher elevation, sitting on metal seats.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:22 pm to SlapahoeTribe
I agree. The rules need a "bro science" review and fact check, then they need to be revised accordingly. As you said, playing in a lightning storm is one thing, but having a 30 minute delay because there was lightning 10 miles away with no rain overhead is ridiculous
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:22 pm to SlapahoeTribe
was in two lightning strike games, a baseball game in HS, one guy badly burned but survived, the other a flag fb game while at LSU, one guy killed, the rest of us knocked to the ground and dazed a bit
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:23 pm to 777Tiger
Remind me to stay far away from you
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:24 pm to Brageous
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Brageous
you're a bitch and you dont know what you're talking about
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:24 pm to Ignignot
HEE HAWWWWWWWWW
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:24 pm to SlapahoeTribe
Not long ago when I was at LSU someone was struck and killed playing rec softball.
You have that happen even once in a real baseball game and the shitstorm will be uncanny.
You have that happen even once in a real baseball game and the shitstorm will be uncanny.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:25 pm to Brageous
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yeah, because they aren't playing numbskull
I clearly stated that lightning has struck in clear skies as far a eleven miles away. If it can do that, then it stands to reason that over the past 100+ years or organized baseball, with tens of thousands of games each year, that at some point lightning should've struck an on-field individual.... If it can get passed the stadium itself.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:34 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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August 24, 1919, marked Caldwell's first game as a Cleveland Indian. He was pitching well against the Philadelphia Athletics, despite a persistent rain that had started in the fourth inning, and by the ninth, the Indians were up, 2-1.
Caldwell quickly put away the first two batters and, with the A's down to their final out, Jumping Joe Dugan stepped to the plate. Then suddenly, lightning struck—literally. A bolt hit the iron rail in front of the press box, made its way down the steel posts and across the infield, and struck Caldwell on the mound. Or else it struck the dirt of the pitcher's mound directly. Or else it entered the metal button on the top of Caldwell's cap and exited the metal spikes of his shoes. Accounts differed, but regardless, the pitcher was knocked clean out.
He later told the Cleveland Press, "It felt just like somebody came up with a board and hit me on top of the head and knocked me down."
Players rushed the mound and fans panicked as Caldwell lay unconscious for five minutes. But he eventually came to, and when he did, he wasn't content with simply surviving the lightning. He got to his feet, shook his head, and insisted on finishing out the game. With his next and final pitch, he induced a ground out to third to hand the Indians a crucial win.
Despite his close call, Caldwell seemed to have no lasting health effects; in fact, he pitched a no-hitter the very next month. After his playing career ended, he managed in the minor leagues for several years—and presumably stayed in the dugout whenever it looked like rain.
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:37 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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I see no reason to not play
Yeah, how dare the NCAA stop you from being able to see a sporting event for the safety of the players in bad weather.
Are you fricking for real?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:49 pm to LSU Groupee
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Yeah, how dare the NCAA stop you from being able to see a sporting event for the safety of the players in bad weather.
Are you fricking for real?
If the NCAA told you that they weren't going to allow anyone to play unless the weather was between 65° and 68° then you wouldn't see a problem with that? You'd just take it on their say so that it is the only safe thing to do for the players?
Or, would you maybe rub your two brain cells together and ask for some scientific data to prove that the games can't be safely played when it's hotter or colder?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:49 pm to SlapahoeTribe
Let's put your kids out there and find out.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 3:05 pm to SlapahoeTribe
quote:Get out there and entertain me clowns!!!
Or, would you maybe rub your two brain cells together and ask for some scientific data to prove that the games can't be safely played when it's hotter or colder?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 3:35 pm to shel311
According to the National Weather Service there are about 25,000,000 lightning strikes that hit the ground every year. The average annual deaths from lighting strikes is 55. More than 1/3 of the strikes occur with no sign of a storm.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery or falling off of the upper deck at Tiger Stadium than being struck by lightning.
You have a better chance of winning the lottery or falling off of the upper deck at Tiger Stadium than being struck by lightning.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 3:50 pm to LSU Groupee
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Yeah, how dare the NCAA stop you from being able to see a sporting event for the safety of the players in bad weather.
Are you fricking for real?
The OP, and some other posters here, are merely asking what the risk is. Not what people think it might be, but what it really is, based on the history of tens of thousands of games played over the years.
Personally, I'm fine with being extra-cautious, but there's no reason to flame those people that think the risk is very low and are merely asking about it.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:07 pm to atltiger6487
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are merely asking what the risk is
Of waving a metal bat around when lightening has been detected?
Are you for real?
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