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Question for those who would "cut Orgeron some slack" because he is "one of us."
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:03 pm
I'm curious. I've read more than a few posters take this position--a number who are tenured, good posters--the attitude that "Coach O is a Cajun and fits perfectly. I could put up with him losing a few."
I'm not condemning you feeling that way, but just want to know:
Would you be happy with Orgeron if his record matched Miles's since 2012?
Would Orgeron be excused from the goal of competing for SEC/National Championships most years?
Hell, at this point, I don't know. I'm rooting for O to win out because I'm rooting for LSU to win out. I think O is my solid third choice behind Herman/Fisher.
But I honestly think that as loaded as this team is, a merely competent coach should win out with maybe a loss to the gumps. I get more and more pissed every day when evidence on and off the field point to how much Les held this team back.
I'm just wanting to know, from those of you who would give the job now to Orgeron because he's a Cajun, to what standards you would hold him as HC and the LSU football program under his leadership.
Would Orgeron get a pass from you that other coaches wouldn't?
I'm not condemning you feeling that way, but just want to know:
Would you be happy with Orgeron if his record matched Miles's since 2012?
Would Orgeron be excused from the goal of competing for SEC/National Championships most years?
Hell, at this point, I don't know. I'm rooting for O to win out because I'm rooting for LSU to win out. I think O is my solid third choice behind Herman/Fisher.
But I honestly think that as loaded as this team is, a merely competent coach should win out with maybe a loss to the gumps. I get more and more pissed every day when evidence on and off the field point to how much Les held this team back.
I'm just wanting to know, from those of you who would give the job now to Orgeron because he's a Cajun, to what standards you would hold him as HC and the LSU football program under his leadership.
Would Orgeron get a pass from you that other coaches wouldn't?
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 1:05 pm
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Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:09 pm to timlan2057
Wrong board.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:10 pm to timlan2057
I think there's a big difference between rooting for CEO to succeed and cutting him some slack. If he puts together a string of losses where it's evident he's been out coached, the slack in the line will certainly tighten up. Of course he's going to have some losses. That goes without saying. There's a big difference between beating yourself and being beaten though. Seems like more times than not LM got in his own way. I for one would love to see CEO succeed… He is a Cajun after all and you'll find no one with more LSU in his heart than him.
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:12 pm to timlan2057
Yes. It's more than wins and losses for this season alone.
He is bringing the fire back, he has United the team, the fan base is coming back stronger, and we are winning with style. Add that with he can recruit with the best of them, and that is a recipe for success and plenty of wins. Miles would still be here is his losses weren't totally incompetant and stale because he was winning games at a high rate.
He is bringing the fire back, he has United the team, the fan base is coming back stronger, and we are winning with style. Add that with he can recruit with the best of them, and that is a recipe for success and plenty of wins. Miles would still be here is his losses weren't totally incompetant and stale because he was winning games at a high rate.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:31 pm to timlan2057
I think you just made that up.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:48 pm to timlan2057
I feel the same
I think an avg coach like Miles can have similar success
I feel like an x and o's coach could have elite success
I think an avg coach like Miles can have similar success
I feel like an x and o's coach could have elite success
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:53 pm to timlan2057
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I'm curious
No, you're just bi curious.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:56 pm to timlan2057
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behind Herman/Fisher.
I'd just like to point out that UH was losing to UCF, who was 0-12 last year, at the time that you published your OP. Herman should not be mentioned in the same breath with LSU, whether they win or lose today.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 1:58 pm to timlan2057
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Would you be happy with Orgeron if his record matched Miles's since 2012?
There is a huge difference between losing and getting beat. You can hold your head up if you play your best and just get beat. Making stupid coaching errors and "finishing second" is unacceptable
Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:11 pm to DontCare
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behind Herman/Fisher.
I'd just like to point out that UH was losing to UCF, who was 0-12 last year, at the time that you published your OP. Herman should not be mentioned in the same breath with LSU, whether they win or lose today.
That's interesting.
Weren't we tied 10-10 with Southern Mississippi all of two weeks ago at half time? With possibly the most talented team in the country?
Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:13 pm to nolatrain504
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he was winning games at a high rate.
Les was winning fewer & fewer games, we were no longer in contention to even win the SEC West. Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:14 pm to timlan2057
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behind Herman/Fisher.
I really don't get the infatuation with Fisher. He's a better coach but he's proven that he can lose to lesser talent. I get Herman but is he really a better option than O? I was thinking exactly like you 4 weeks ago but I've seen 2 definitive improvements with O. Much better halftime adjustments and the ability to lift the team when they are not playing with emotion. Miles could never do that.
Coach O has proven to be one of top 2-3 recruiters in college football. At a minimum, that's a top 3 requirement and maybe #1. LSU has the highest payroll in CFB which should tell you that any HC will have the opportunity to hire the best coordinators. To your question specifically...yes, he should get an edge because he loves La and I believe him when he says that LSU is his dream job. If he gets the job...do you think he'd ever leave for another HC position (college or pro)? I don't.
Coach O is changing my opinion one game at a time. Why not give him a chance to earn the job.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:17 pm to SL Tiger
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He's a better coach but he's proven that he can lose to lesser talent
EVERY COACH CAN AND HAS LOST TO LESSER TALENT.
Every single one. Saban. Meyer. Belicheck. All of the above.
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:17 pm to timlan2057
quote:can you provide a link to your straw man assertion? Specifically that people are okay losing as long as the coach is from Louisiana.
I've read more than a few posters take this position--a number who are tenured, good posters--the attitude that "Coach O is a Cajun and fits perfectly. I could put up with him losing a few."
If it's more than a few it should be easy to find.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:22 pm to drexyl
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can you provide a link to your straw man assertion? Specifically that people are okay losing as long as the coach is from Louisiana.
You've proven abundantly that you're stupid but I don't think you're THIS stupid. Of course, I may be cutting YOU more slack than you deserve.
No one that I know of posted that they'd be okay with Orgeron going 0-12 because he's from Louisiana.
But I've seen multiple posts that folks would be okay, I assume, with not competing consistently for championships. While they haven't elaborated on an exact number or record, I assume they mean they'd be okay with Miles-like numbers for the last five years.
That's why I asked the question--to get some specific information on what Orgeron's Louisiana roots would buy him with folks who feel that way.
There now.
Wasn't that easy?
Posted on 10/29/16 at 2:22 pm to timlan2057
I would prefer a Caucasian Protestant coach.
Posted on 10/29/16 at 3:02 pm to timlan2057
I want to know how many people would give Coach O a chance if he only beat UCF by 7 points after losing to Navy and Southern Methodist
????
????
Posted on 10/29/16 at 3:19 pm to pellietigersaint
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I want to know how many people would give Coach O a chance if he only beat UCF by 7 points after losing to Navy and Southern Methodist ????
The same number that would give Herman a shot if his previous HC job netted a 10-23 record?
Posted on 10/29/16 at 3:41 pm to timlan2057
On a personal level, I wasn't willing to give Miles slack for how good a person he is, that he wasn't "one of us", that he had to follow Saban, or any of the excuses. So I'm, again on a personal level, not willing to give CEO slack for those reasons, the opposite reasons, or anything in between. Can't find a reason OR excuse to cut CEO slack anyway. He has great talent, not like he walked in cold (was already in program), the only key staff member he wasn't extremely familiar with was Aranda and he was his boss.
But... if haven't seen anywhere where CEO NEEDED to be cut some slack, yet- we'll see the day after Thanksgiving. And that is the point.
ETA: decided to add the word "yet"
But... if haven't seen anywhere where CEO NEEDED to be cut some slack, yet- we'll see the day after Thanksgiving. And that is the point.
ETA: decided to add the word "yet"
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 4:00 pm
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