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Predicted RPI Finish By Warren Nolan
Posted on 5/16/17 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 3:18 pm
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What's interesting is how they predict the records and use that to predict the final regular season RPI.
Let's take LSU, Stanford, and Kentucky...
LSU could finish 3-1 (midweek win and series win vs State)
Stanford could finish 5-2 (Should be easy considering their very easy schedule vs the Washington schools)
Kentucky could finish 2-2 (midweek win and series loss to UF)
LSU would fall from 11 to 13
Stanford would jump from 13 to 11
Kentucky would stay the same at 7
Let's look specifically at the ACC schools right ahead of LSU: Clemson, Wake, and Virginia
Notice that even though these teams play relatively weak schools to finish, their SOS remains the same. And with each finishing 3-1 only Virginia falls a couple of spots to 12 ending up just ahead of LSU.
Now, I get all of this is based on predictions and doesn't include the conference tournaments (which the PAC12 doesn't have), but it gives some insight to LSU's uphill battle to improve their RPI over the ACC schools, Kentucky or Stanford.
This really all goes back to the thought that "All LSU has to do is win the MSU series" which many people have claimed. I agree that most years 20 wins would easily be enough for a national seed. But this year, we're looking at 3 other SEC teams in that range with at least 1 other team being 20+ (UK or UF) and the ACC being a higher rated conference than the SEC. And that's not up for debate. Unfortunately, this means the SEC could only get 2 national seeds, while the ACC pulls 3. And in this scenario, UK, while not have as many SEC wins, will have the head to head and RPI advantage over LSU going into the SEC tournament.
Finally, all that being said... just win baby. Sweep MSU, win 2 SECT games (which may not be necessary at that point, but for good measure). And if you really want LSU to get a nat seed, hope UK gets swept. That's who we are competing with IMO. Not the ACC schools.
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Predicted RPI is a prediction of each team's RPI at the end of the regular season (including conference tournament games as matchups are determined). Each team's final winning percentage and strength of schedule (SOS) are calculated using expected results of future games based on this season's previous results. The final winning percentage and SOS are then used to calculate the predicted RPI using the normal RPI formula.
What's interesting is how they predict the records and use that to predict the final regular season RPI.
Let's take LSU, Stanford, and Kentucky...
LSU could finish 3-1 (midweek win and series win vs State)
Stanford could finish 5-2 (Should be easy considering their very easy schedule vs the Washington schools)
Kentucky could finish 2-2 (midweek win and series loss to UF)
LSU would fall from 11 to 13
Stanford would jump from 13 to 11
Kentucky would stay the same at 7
Let's look specifically at the ACC schools right ahead of LSU: Clemson, Wake, and Virginia
Notice that even though these teams play relatively weak schools to finish, their SOS remains the same. And with each finishing 3-1 only Virginia falls a couple of spots to 12 ending up just ahead of LSU.
Now, I get all of this is based on predictions and doesn't include the conference tournaments (which the PAC12 doesn't have), but it gives some insight to LSU's uphill battle to improve their RPI over the ACC schools, Kentucky or Stanford.
This really all goes back to the thought that "All LSU has to do is win the MSU series" which many people have claimed. I agree that most years 20 wins would easily be enough for a national seed. But this year, we're looking at 3 other SEC teams in that range with at least 1 other team being 20+ (UK or UF) and the ACC being a higher rated conference than the SEC. And that's not up for debate. Unfortunately, this means the SEC could only get 2 national seeds, while the ACC pulls 3. And in this scenario, UK, while not have as many SEC wins, will have the head to head and RPI advantage over LSU going into the SEC tournament.
Finally, all that being said... just win baby. Sweep MSU, win 2 SECT games (which may not be necessary at that point, but for good measure). And if you really want LSU to get a nat seed, hope UK gets swept. That's who we are competing with IMO. Not the ACC schools.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 3:28 pm to ell_13
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This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 3:30 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
They may not count the Louisiana College game since it doesn't count toward RPI.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 3:42 pm to ell_13
quote:yep, they don't count it
They may not count the Louisiana College game since it doesn't count toward RPI
Posted on 5/16/17 at 3:58 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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Maybe Warren Nolan should focus more on why LSU is missing a game in their rankings.
Been the same 34-17 since Saturday.
Louisiana College doesn't count. It's been a game short all season since that game was played. Boyd's World makes it more clear. They show "vs Division 1" and "overall"
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This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 4:24 pm to ell_13
What continues to puzzle me in these mocks is what specifically forces the jumps with teams such as...
Baylor jumping from 12-10
(after winning 3 of 4) vs @#92, #98, #98, #98
Stanford jumping from 13-11
(after winning 5 of 7) vs @#265, #66, #66, #66, @#115, @#115, @#115
Arizona jumping from 15-14
(after winning 4 of 6) vs @#88, @#88, @#88, #75, #75, #75
Where as with LSU
LSU dropping from 11-13
(after winning 3 of 4) vs #226, @#24, @#24, @#24
Every team's SOS would downgrade while LSU's would improve. I'm still trying to figure it out.
Baylor jumping from 12-10
(after winning 3 of 4) vs @#92, #98, #98, #98
Stanford jumping from 13-11
(after winning 5 of 7) vs @#265, #66, #66, #66, @#115, @#115, @#115
Arizona jumping from 15-14
(after winning 4 of 6) vs @#88, @#88, @#88, #75, #75, #75
Where as with LSU
LSU dropping from 11-13
(after winning 3 of 4) vs #226, @#24, @#24, @#24
Every team's SOS would downgrade while LSU's would improve. I'm still trying to figure it out.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 5/16/17 at 4:41 pm to ell_13
If LSU wins this weekend and Auburn stays in the Top 50, LSU's resume is going to look much stronger than Clemson and Virginia to me. Their SOS and Top 50 wins are really weak. Stanford is a team to watch. They need to lose a series coming down the stretch.
But I'm definitely pulling for Florida to do a number on UK this weekend.
But I'm definitely pulling for Florida to do a number on UK this weekend.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 4:45 pm to Adam4848
6 games vs RPI 200+ teams that continue to lose.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 4:54 pm to ell_13
Good catch, the other teams opponents definitely aren't improving either as noted by the projected SOS drop.
One thing is for sure there is no scenario that LSU can afford to lose tonight.
One thing is for sure there is no scenario that LSU can afford to lose tonight.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:09 pm to Adam4848
someone needs to tell warren to get rid of toonces...looks awful
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:10 pm to Adam4848
Kendall Rodgers just said on the radio that midweek games certainly matter because if Kentucky and Florida split the series somehow and LSU wins 2 or less, committee will look at head to head and OOC. Also road losses... 3 of LSU's 8 road losses... midweek.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:16 pm to drpepper23
i know that the ACC has 5 really good teams(all in top10 rpi) but i still think the SEC is better in terms of constant quality competition and what it should mean to be at the top the conference. like just scroll down and look at the top 50 records...the 10 best sec teams all have double digit wins and losses in their top 50 records. shows how deep the conference is which i think the committee will recognize in seeding the tournament(hopefully)
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:22 pm to drpepper23
our top 50 record compared to clemson(7-11), wake forest(8-8), virginia(6-7), and stanford(8-6) is a joke. while ours is 18-13. we have 2-3 times as many top 50 wins as well as a significant amount more losses...showing how many quality teams we have played compared to them
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