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Outkick's take on LSU basketball
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:15 pm
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:20 pm to jd6074
If he posted here he would get a PM from the admins to not post in the basketball threads. 
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:25 pm to jd6074
No shite it's on the head coach lmao, but I am cool with blaming this long season on Joe Alleva. Hate that guy!
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:30 pm to jd6074
Certain posters won't like this.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:40 pm to jd6074
Sick burn!
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:40 pm to c on z
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Certain posters won't like this
Ya I think it is a BS article. Even if Simmons played in a team with no coach or just street basketball many people expected better performance.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:45 pm to CalTiger53
Anyone that expected better performance than 20-12-5 has rocks in their head. Now, team performance is certainly a disappointment, but Ben is the last person I'd blame for that.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:49 pm to The Seaward
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Anyone that expected better performance than 20-12-5 has rocks in their head
Even opponents seem to say that they are unimpressed with him. I think the reasoning is that he is just crazy consistent. He never really exploded and took control of a game, so his 20-12-5 was about that every game. It's similar to how people started to say that LF7 had an unimpressive game with just under 200 yards.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:49 pm to The Seaward
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Ben is the last person I'd blame for that.
I don't think they are blaming him. I was excited to watch him play but this is not what I expected, he plays like a talented true freshman; that is it. the expectations were to high.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:55 pm to CalTiger53
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Even if Simmons played in a team with no coach or just street basketball many people expected better performance.
I expected Jones to be a beneficiary of Simmons' talent. Which means I completely overestimated Jones even after the abortion against NC St last year.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:12 pm to lsufan251875
I'm not sure the writer of that article has watched us play enough (or even at all) this year. Yes, Simmons has a very nice stat line, but just looking at his raw numbers doesn't tell the whole story. There's blame to be shared here.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:14 pm to CalTiger53
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I don't think they are blaming him. I was excited to watch him play but this is not what I expected, he plays like a talented true freshman; that is it. the expectations were to high
In Simmons defense, it's kind of hard to "take over a game" when there's no offensive philosophy whatsoever. When Simmons is on the point, everyone just stands around and watches him and he can't penetrate and score b/c opponents are packing the lane nor can he kick out b/c our outlets are standing around like statues. Whenever our guards do get an open look from a Simmons pass, they throw up bricks.
Jones run the same sorry arse play over and over again with the double high screens trying to free up a guard on the perimeter.
Then you say...well, Simmons needs to play in the post. When he does that and have his man completely sealed on the block, our guards don't have the wherewithal to get him the ball.
So, tell me what in the hell do you expect from him? I believe it's a damn miracle that he's almost averaging 20 pts, 10 rbs, 5 assist on this crappy arse team.
Take Simmons off of this team and we probably won't win more than 5 games.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:20 pm to The Seaward
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Anyone that expected better performance than 20-12-5 has rocks in their head.
yes, the stat line is very good. But there are other aspects that are sorely lacking for a player of his hype.
The inability to lead the team, and truly take over the game when we need it. I can't really recall any single big shot Ben made this year. Transcendent players take over games and put their team on their back. He's shown no fire on the court, far too passive.
So his stat line, while very good, is a quiet one. Honestly, sometimes I have to look closely to even see if Simmons is even on the floor, because he's too often he's not influencing the game. At the final buzzer, he still gets his numbers, but it's too often under the radar.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:21 pm to jd6074
the writer obviously doesn't hang around this site. Simmons does get plenty (and likely too much) criticism but Jones is the one that gets skewered night in and night out by fans here and I'm sure around BR/LA in general. This is a good article that hopefully puts things into focus for the powers that be. Now whether or not the 'powers that be' do anything or can do anything is a whole 'nother story.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:22 pm to jd6074
Clay Travis writing about college basketball*?
No thanks.
* - any subject
No thanks.
* - any subject
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:26 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Take Simmons off of this team and we probably won't win more than 5 games
I take Martin and Mickey over Blakeney and Sinmmons and last year's team was not hyped like this one.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:30 pm to atltiger6487
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The inability to lead the team, and truly take over the game when we need it. I can't really recall any single big shot Ben made this year. Transcendent players take over games and put their team on their back. He's shown no fire on the court, far too passive.
Frankly, I think this is all subjective bullshite. By any objective, measurable criteria, Simmons has been one of the best players in the country.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:31 pm to CalTiger53
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I take Martin ans Mickey over Blakeney and Sinmmons
Even that team underachieved under Jones' leadership. I agree with every word in the article. This failure lies squarely on Jones' shoulders. Not Simmons'. It's Jones' job to figure out how to best use Simmons' talent and create an offensive philosophy around that. To me, it seems like Jones just gives Simmons the ball and expect him to create something. That's fine against teams with lesser talent, but against teams with good coaching and similar talent, they will shut that shite down.
Next year, we will still have talent to be competitive, but without any offensive identity and any discipline on defense we probably won't win more than 10 games.
It's past time for the LSU brass to cut bait with Jones. I would've done it immediately after the past loss to Arky if I was Joe Alleva.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:42 pm to The Seaward
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Frankly, I think this is all subjective bullshite. By any objective, measurable criteria, Simmons has been one of the best players in the country.
I've already said his stat line is very good.
But with the exception of the Vandy game, has he truly dominated a game this season? Has he stepped up when we really needed him and delivered on a key possession at the end of a game? Has he thoroughly influenced/dominated a game?
Yes, this is subjective, but it's all very also real and actually quite noticeable, although not measurable.
I just haven't seen it. Again, great stat line, but a quiet one.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:46 pm to atltiger6487
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ut with the exception of the Vandy game, has he truly dominated a game this season? Has he stepped up when we really needed him and delivered on a key possession at the end of a game? Has he thoroughly influenced/dominated a game?
Yes, he has. You don't put up that stat line without impacting and influencing games. I would certainly say he absolutely dominated the North Florida game.
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