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Our Passing Game
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:50 pm
So I know most of this has been talked about a lot, but just wanted to add some things that are very noticeable after last weekend.
We throw to the sidelines. I'm perfectly ok with that when we're a power running team. We reduce chances of turnovers and make the game easier to read for our quarterback.
So with a heavy running offense and primarily throwing to the outside means defensive game plans rely on stacking the box and playing a lot of man and bump coverage. Two very easy things that I noticed Kiffin does well to make it easy on Sims and get the best out of his receivers to combat similar problems is
1) bunch or stagger receivers and
2) put receivers in motion
I give Cam credit for improving our screen execution and encouraging Jennings to scramble more when spaces open up, but these are two simple adjustments that can be made presnap and take a lot of pressure off your QB in making decisions.
Alabama bunched their receivers at times when they were struggling to get off the ball against our press. While our young receivers and our players still developing physically occasionally have a hard time getting into their routes or creating separation early to give Jennings someone to throw to. Bunching allows for easy crossing and picking to give Jennings a quick, easy option to hit in the flat.
Another is putting receivers in motion or having them drag across the formation on play action. Cooper did this once early for his first reception. Super easy to add to have the defense give away their coverage, and when executed right, gives the receiver a head start in running a flat route where the QB can get him the ball quick with little reading of the defense.
Like I said, I know this has been talked about a bunch, but I just wish we added some of these simple and easy wrinkles to our philosophy and gameplan. And a lot of these things can help set up more run plays or easily come off of pre-existing plays without us getting "too creative" God forbid.
We throw to the sidelines. I'm perfectly ok with that when we're a power running team. We reduce chances of turnovers and make the game easier to read for our quarterback.
So with a heavy running offense and primarily throwing to the outside means defensive game plans rely on stacking the box and playing a lot of man and bump coverage. Two very easy things that I noticed Kiffin does well to make it easy on Sims and get the best out of his receivers to combat similar problems is
1) bunch or stagger receivers and
2) put receivers in motion
I give Cam credit for improving our screen execution and encouraging Jennings to scramble more when spaces open up, but these are two simple adjustments that can be made presnap and take a lot of pressure off your QB in making decisions.
Alabama bunched their receivers at times when they were struggling to get off the ball against our press. While our young receivers and our players still developing physically occasionally have a hard time getting into their routes or creating separation early to give Jennings someone to throw to. Bunching allows for easy crossing and picking to give Jennings a quick, easy option to hit in the flat.
Another is putting receivers in motion or having them drag across the formation on play action. Cooper did this once early for his first reception. Super easy to add to have the defense give away their coverage, and when executed right, gives the receiver a head start in running a flat route where the QB can get him the ball quick with little reading of the defense.
Like I said, I know this has been talked about a bunch, but I just wish we added some of these simple and easy wrinkles to our philosophy and gameplan. And a lot of these things can help set up more run plays or easily come off of pre-existing plays without us getting "too creative" God forbid.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:51 pm to TheZaba
quote:
Our Passing Game
Doesn't exist.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:53 pm to TheZaba
How about having the receivers catch the ball? Would that help improve our passing game?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:54 pm to TigerWatch
Drop balls happen, but you shouldn't have shitty qb play every game.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:56 pm to TigerWatch
that's a very good point. But sometimes you have to try and simplify things as much as possible to take pressure off the receiver and QB to avoid any mistakes rushing the catch or a throw a little off target to get things rolling
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:56 pm to Broham
quote:
Doesn't exist.
That is good!!! Sad but TRUE!!
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:57 pm to TheZaba
Good points. It would also help if we gave our QB a few more seconds pre snap to look at the D by getting the play in quicker. We were rushing to beat the play clock way too often on Saturday
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:58 pm to TheZaba
I agree. LSU doesn't do a lot scheme wise to get people open.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:59 pm to TigerWatch
quote:
How about having the receivers catch the ball? Would that help improve our passing game?
Drop balls are going to happen if your QB and receivers have so little familiarity with one another on the field. We pass so little and mostly in 3rd and long. If you look at successful quarterbacks, they have a great rapport with their receivers. That requires repitition, practice, gametime. They know the timing, they know where they want the ball, etc. We simply do not pass enough for our quarterbacks and receivers to get comfortable. Your only hope is to have some insanely talented kid who is NFL caliber (Mett).
That doesn't fit into Les Miles' culture, I don't think.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 4:01 pm to Broham
quote:
Our Passing Game Doesn't exist.
And what little we do have could easily be executed by a mediocre middle school team.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 4:02 pm to TheZaba
We used to run this really nice play with Quinn from the left hash. Quinn would go in motion from the left slot to the right slot and then run a drag route to the right sideline about five yards out while Jennings rolled right. With Quinn's struggles catching the ball Saturday I'm not sure if this play would have been effective, but little things like that might help.
Then again, we ran a pretty similar play with Melvin Jones out of the backfield... and he dropped it too (although the throw was a bit high).
I dunno man, I'm in agreement that we need a few more wrinkles in the passing game, but I'm not sure how much it actually changes the outcome Saturday. We had some aberrant fundamentals issues with dropping passes (and some not-so-aberrant accuracy issues from the QB spot).
Then again, we ran a pretty similar play with Melvin Jones out of the backfield... and he dropped it too (although the throw was a bit high).
I dunno man, I'm in agreement that we need a few more wrinkles in the passing game, but I'm not sure how much it actually changes the outcome Saturday. We had some aberrant fundamentals issues with dropping passes (and some not-so-aberrant accuracy issues from the QB spot).
Posted on 11/10/14 at 4:03 pm to SabiDojo
quote:We had this last year with NFL receivers and QB. It's definitely not easy to be able to have the timing and skill to run consistent hitches and out routes against tough coverage and NFL caliber corners. So when you can't do that, sometimes you have to take shortcuts to be able to stick with your system and philosophy.
If you look at successful quarterbacks, they have a great rapport with their receivers. They know the timing, they know where they want the ball, etc.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 4:08 pm to lsutothetop
quote:I can't say that it would have, but it helps being able to somewhat regularly get a pass for 5 yards. Remember what it felt like last year having a third down >5 yards and not immediately feeling like you had to punt and had a chance to get that?
I dunno man, I'm in agreement that we need a few more wrinkles in the passing game, but I'm not sure how much it actually changes the outcome Saturday. We had some aberrant fundamentals issues with dropping passes (and some not-so-aberrant accuracy issues from the QB spot).
Now I'm getting away from the point and bringing in too many other points to argue. I just wish we could adapt our playbook a little more to accommodate our QB's when they struggle. You can't always just call the same thing and hope they eventually get it.
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