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re: one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:21 pm to Madking
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:21 pm to Madking
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For instance the statement that there is not one single shred of proof that O has improved since Ole Miss when there is in fact plenty of proof that he has
What? There is no evidence that He has gotten better at running a program.
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He went 6-2 at USC and 6-2 at LSU,
Not hiring the staff,not running the offense,not running the defense,and not having anything to do with bringing in the star players on our 2016-17 team.
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he brought in the number 7 recruiting class during a transition year
This would be telling if he wasnt the recruiting coordinator that already had relationships with the recruits.
Lsu had a top 5 when miles was fired.
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LSU broke multiple offensive records under coach O
Yeah against 3 of the worst run defenses in cfb.
When Miles was coaching we measured our offense against Bama and Florida and yards against inferior teams is meaningless.
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They continue to harpe on things that happened over a decade ago and ignore what's happening currently or recentl
Yeah how dare we use his head coaching resume.
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It's a biased opinion from the Miles worshipers who secretly want O to fail and shouldn't even be paid any attention too.
Wow that last statement is dripping with hypocrisy.
You bashed miles all the time.so using your own logic you wanted Miles to fail.
If questioning and bashing a coach means you secretly want them to fail then youve wanted miles to fail evrry since you joined this site.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:26 pm to Howyouluhdat
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All I heard on ESPN during the search was how much interest Herman and Jimbo had if the right money was offered.
By outside claims.
The coaches never mentioned it.
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All we heard were how much their agents and LSU were in talks which ended up being true
If by agents you mean agent then yeah. Only Herman was public because everyone knew he was leaving Houston and going to a p5 program and he wanted 2 suiters to boost the offer. He wanted it public
You're also not taking into account the agents that called lsu with interest that was rejected.
Youve never heard an employed coach publicly announcing their interest to move to another program.
quote:now youre getting it.
You know everything don't you Ricky?
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah against 3 of the worst run defenses in cfb.
When Miles was coaching we measured our offense against Bama and Florida and yards against inferior teams is meaningless.
Did you watch the miles offense against jacksonville state? It was straight up shite. Miles would not of been able to put up those numbers against those defenses. Like i said in a previous post, the credit doesnt go to the winning or loses, it goes to how the players responded to the firing and played with their backs against the wall. You can give him credit for how the players responded the week after a loss, because it was different than it was with les. The losses just seemed to linger for a while
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:48 pm to LSU12223
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Did you watch the miles offense against jacksonville state? It was straight up shite.
Show me where i said it was good.
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Miles would not of been able to put up those numbers against those defenses.
You have no idea if this is true. Miles has destroyed good teams let alone teams with triple digit run defenses.
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You can give him credit for how the players responded the week after a loss, because it was different than it was with les
So who gets credit for having 6 1st downs against bama?
But fine i give him credit for being a ra ra guy.
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it was different than it was with les.
Miles lost back to back games just 3 times in his entire tenure at lsu.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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By outside claims. The coaches never mentioned it.
By outside claims you mean their agents which they tell everything to.
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by agents you mean agent then yeah
So LSU didn't talk to Jimbos agent?
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Only Herman was public because everyone knew he was leaving Houston and going to a p5 program and he wanted 2 suiters to boost the offer. He wanted it public
Oh so now coaches do make it public they are pursuing another job? Which one is it?
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You're also not taking into account the agents that called lsu with interest that was rejected.
Like who?
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Youve never heard an employed coach publicly announcing their interest to move to another program.
Because their agents do the talking for them. Happens all the time. You are wrong again. This thread has made you look like a fool. Just stop
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:54 pm to LSU12223
The thing that O learned and admitted he learned from Ole Miss was to let the Coaches do their job and it showed, he let his OC do his job, the position coaches do their job and start the players that they felt gave us the best opportunity to win. This was what I was waiting to see(to my surprise he PASSED with flying colors). NOW MILES this is something that he never learned, he just kept making the same mistake over and over and over!!!!So many different OC's and he just could not help himself. He was just not capable of adjusting or change.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:59 pm to Howyouluhdat
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By outside claims you mean their agents which they tell everything to.
And 1 was openly looking.
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o LSU didn't talk to Jimbos agent
There is no proof that he was contacted. Jimbo nor his agent in no way publicly stated he wanted to leave FSU.
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Oh so now coaches do make it public they are pursuing another job? Which one is it?
Im saying everyone knew Herman was leaving for lsu or texas. There was no need to keep it close to the vest.
Since you think its so common you shouldn't have any problem linking me to an employed coach or his agent
publicly stating he is taking offers from other programs.
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Like who?
Holy shite. Thats the point. You have no idea how many employed coaches had their agent privately gauge lsu's interest in interviewing for the job.
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Because their agents do the talking for them. Happens all the time. You are wrong again
Wow. You really need to educate yourself in reference to cfb.
Please show me all these EMPLOYED head coaches that have their agent publicly stating that the coach is taking offers.
The fact that you think that happens all the time further lets me know that you have no clue about cfb.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:00 pm to vjm41
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The thing that O learned and admitted he learned from Ole Miss was to let the Coaches do their job and it showed, he let his OC do his job, t
The best coaches in cfb ARE NOT hands off.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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that you have no clue about cfb.
Sounds like you two have something in common
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 pm to Howyouluhdat
Agents dont publicly state that the employed head coach is looking for a new program because he would get fired from his present job.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:05 pm to Paul Allen
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Sounds like you two have something in commo
Hey sexy? Hows my favorite TD girl?
You cant even tell me where the 6 technique lines up without googling it.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:10 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Howyouluhdat
Agree to disagree. Lets anchor this shite thread.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There is no proof that he was contacted. Jimbo nor his agent in no way publicly stated he wanted to leave FSU
Are you serious? No proof that LSU contacted Jimbo? It was all over every major sports media forum and tv but ok you know more.
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Holy shite. Thats the point. You have no idea how many employed coaches had their agent privately gauge lsu's interest in interviewing for the job.
Hey bra you said they did. How would you know? Here you go again backtracking
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Please show me all these EMPLOYED coaches that have their agent publicly stating that the coach is taking offers
This is routine for just about every coaching hire. They all take offers to get better offers from their current school before making a decision. The agent doesn't say they are taking offers to the media. They say they are in talks with certain programs. It gets out all the time. How do you not know this?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:23 pm to Howyouluhdat
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No proof that LSU contacted Jimbo? It was all over every major sports media forum and tv but ok you know more.
I agree they contacted him in 2015.
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Hey bra you said they did. How would you know? Here you go again backtracking
Im not backtracking one bit. I said youre not taking it into account. I readily admit that i dont know either. I shouldn't have been definitive in that post. My bad.
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This is routine for just about every coaching hire. They all take offers to get better offers from their current school before making a decision
I never said they dont get offers. I said they dont come out and publicly state that they are taking offers.
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The agent doesn't say they are taking offers to the media
Which is exactly what i said.
I said.....
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Coaches with jobs dont make it public that they want a new job.
Agents and Coaches dont publicly state that they are taking offers. If it gets out its by leak.
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ts out all the time. How do you not know this?
I never said it doesnt get out. I said the agents dont come out and say the employed coach is looking for a new job.
As far as you calling me a fool...
I knew more football at age 13 than you ever will.
A fool would use a coaches past record to not want him while wanting others
to forget the past record of another coach.
A fool is someone that thinks a 55 year old career dline coach had a hand in the offense.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
The thing is proving to you is not the same as actual proof. People with non biased opinions see there is proof but you refuse to see it so there is no possible way to prove it to you. Big difference there. You say because he didn't hire coordinators that means there's no proof he's improved so since Miles had Sabans OC through 06 your logic suggest 2 of Miles 4 best season don't count.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:31 pm to Madking
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The thing is proving to you is not the same as actual proof.
I dont consider interim tenures as running a program.
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People with non biased opinions see there is proof but you refuse to see it so there is no possible way to prove it to you.
The proof you use is an interim tenure where his finger prints on the program are minimal.
I admit proof is subjective.
I just dont consider interim tenures as proof.
I give him credit for keeping the the class together but his recruiting was never in question.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:33 pm to Rickdaddy4188
If you're going to use the same comparison you're using for O with Miles then you're in favor of the argument that Miles 07 championship was really Sabans. Nice to see you've finally admitted that otherwise you're talking out of both sides of your mouth and using a double standard comparison and I know you wouldn't stoop so low.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Rick he lost the OC he promoted the right guy apparently then hired a top OC post season he then went out and recruited at a high level in a trasitional year which is tough. Maybe he hasn't hit every mark possible to have undoubtably improved at the highest level but in all the ways he's had a chance to he has. Not saying he'll go out and win a natty but the "shred" of proof comment is just ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:37 pm to Madking
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You say because he didn't hire coordinators that means there's no proof he's improved so since Miles had Sabans OC through 06 your logic suggest 2 of Miles 4 best season don't coun
What? Miles at least hired a coordinator and position coaches.
Miles had just come from having a respectable tenure at OSU given the situation.
Miles had already had some success taking over a far worse situatuon than Coach O had at ole miss.
Lets not act like you gave miles credit for his 1st 3 years and his fingerprints were on the prpgram1 far more than Coach O.
I also never claimed miles got better once taking lsu's job.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You know I really don't believe that bro I'm just making a point. And yes I have given Miles credit for his first three years just because I think he underachieved a lot doesn't mean I'm blind to what he actually accomplished. Don't you remember the CPM vs Miles thread a week or so ago?
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:43 pm
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