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re: one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:53 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:53 pm to Freauxzen
Wait what lmao? So there's noway to know for sure what Ogeron would've done but it's a lock Miles would've gone 6-2 lmfao? You guys arnt even trying anymore your contradictions are not even a sentence apart now. Miles went 2-2 with the two wins coming against jville st. And miss st. Barely and losing to two unranked teams. Ogeron went 6-2 facing 6 sec teams 4 ranked teams and the heisman trophy winner and somehow your gonna say Miles performed better lmfao. Then you're gonna use trend as your excuse even though Miles trend was straight down and Os was up. It's amazing how stupid you guys think the rest of us are.
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:55 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Lol
Miles was always a 9-3 type coach with the occasional off season and the occasional great season.
And we were still doing that.
Now, let's be clear:
Miles was done. He had been for 3-4 years, and he was too stubborn to make any changes. We gave him too long of a leash, but that's normal with a routine 9-3 coach. Most colleges would kill for that. It's just Miles did it in the most excruciatingly painful way possible with slow, inelegant football. He wasn't creative, inventive, or exciting. He lived, mostly, off of great recruiting at most positions, occasionally great coordinators, and a whole lot of luck.
We weren't quickly declining, in the sense that Miles was going to suddenly be less than an 8-4 coach. You do realize that most teams will wait for consecutive .500 and below seasons before making that kind of change? Heck, I wanted to fire Miles after 10-3. That's harsh, but still.
But we were NEVER going to have a great season again, the game had passed him by. He couldn't out coach and win a game. He gave up.
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Except beat the shite out of everybody we beat. Something Miles hasn't done since 2011
You guys making stuff up? Southern Miss and Mizzou were nice offensive performances. But....
2015 - 44-22 over E Mich, 56-27 over TT, 45-24 over SC
2014 - 41-3 over UK, 63-7 over NMST
Miles beat plenty of bad teams by a lot of points recently.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:59 pm to Howyouluhdat
In his first press conference Ogeron said he had certain plays he was going to put in from his days at USC these are things guys like Rick damn well know but will never admit. These ppl think you're stupid and that somehow they're the only ones who have acess to information about the football team so they try to fool you. All they prove is that they have zero respect for other ppl and think they're smarter than everyone els.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:04 pm to Freauxzen
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You guys making stuff up? Southern Miss and Mizzou were nice offensive performances. But..
Nah I said beat the shite out of ALL the opponents in games we won. None of those games were in doubt. I honestly believe the players lost the UF game. We dominated them as well. The Bama loss was no diff than any other year. Canada is the best candidate to change that and he's on our side now
Posted on 5/2/17 at 10:05 pm to Madking
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Madking
Read that again,
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So there's noway to know for sure what Ogeron would've done
Yes,
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but it's a lock Miles would've gone 6-2 lmfao?
Did I say lock? I said probability.
Let me make this clear so you can understand:
We have no way of knowing what Miles would have done in the back part of the season. We also have no way of knowing what O does in the first part of the season. What we do know is that O's 6-2 isn't really THAT much of a better close than Miles. It's pretty much right on par with the Miles average.
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Miles went 2-2 with the two wins coming against jville st. And miss st. Barely and losing to two unranked teams. Ogeron went 6-2 facing 6 sec teams 4 ranked teams and the heisman trophy winner and somehow your gonna say Miles performed better lmfao.
I never said Miles performed better. I said him closing out the season is most likely the same type of record.
Has Miles had a similar run of 6-2 in various seasons against SEC Teams, Heisman contenders, and ranked teams? That's a fact.
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Then you're gonna use trend as your excuse even though Miles trend was straight down and Os was up. It's amazing how stupid you guys think the rest of us are.
Of course MIles' trend was down, but it wasn't a steep trend, and was nearly flat. Just look at the last 4 seasons. How is O's trend up? We don't have enough data on that. O's trend is unknown because the only other time he was a Head Coach running a full program he was a disaster. We have zero evidence that he can run a program effectively beyond being an interim head coach.
And if we were a tier 1 program, we wouldn't be taking a chance on someone with so little evidence of his effectiveness.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:10 am to Freauxzen
Well we are not a teir 1 program you can thank ya boy Miles for that. As far as your Miles vs O comparison it's such a mess I'm not even gonna begin to start breaking down all of the BS you've used to shine a favorable light on Miles anyone with half a brain can see what you're doing there. With the hire you can't look at this as simple as we won this many games in the sec for so many years therefore we deserve or demand an x level coach, that's not how a coaching hire works. We have King Alexander and Joe Alleva that's why Ogeron was hired. One is a complete scumbag the other is a bush league AD doing battle with big boys he has no business doing battle with. We were lucky O was on staff or there's no telling what kind of garbage wedve ended up with. We had the inside track on Herman and Fisher, not only did Alleva screw that up but he nearly lost Arranda in the process. And the only reason Canada's here is because of Arranda so be happy we have what we do it could've been much much worse.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:03 am to LSU GrandDad
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one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
He will be good because he's a great recruiter and brought in two of the best coordinators in all of football. The talent will stay elite but the coaching will improve mightily. If you have that much talent, then all you need is the assistants. His resume isn't great but it's really unfair to judge based on that. Aranda and Canada are elite guys. I'm really not sure why anyone is worried at LSU.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:16 am to Rickdaddy4188
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You cant say that there is some evidence that he is a better coach and then say there isnt definitive proof.
Of course you can. Are you seriously too stupid to realize that there is a middle ground between definitive proof and "not a single shred of evidence"? Seriously?
What a dumb frick.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 7:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Uh, miles wouldve beaten the teams we beat under Orgeron as well.
Highly questionable. Arkie had been crap the previous two years and still pounded the shite out of us. Ole Miss beat the shite out of us the previous year. And Neither Miles nor Saban ever beat Ole Miss at home by more than 7 points, despite the number of shitty teams Ole Miss brought to Tiger Stadium.
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Miles didnt lose to teams that had shite run defenses.
2007: Kentucky #91, Arkansas #54
2008: Arkansas #91
2009: Ole Miss #58
2010: Arkansas #70
2012: Clemson #58
2013: Ole Miss #52 (and we faced their 2nd string)
2014: Auburn #69, Notre Dame #74
Stats back to 2008
Stats for 2007
Miles struggled like hell against Arkansas and Ole Miss no matter how bad they were or how good we were. No way in hell would we have blown them both out if he were still here, and we very likely would have lost to at least one of them.
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He also lost at home to a 14 point underdog that was missing tons of defensive starters starters.
Miles was one unlikely 99-yard drive in the final minutes by Anthony Jennings in his first meaningful action from losing to TWO four-touchdown underdogs in the same season in 2013. He very likely would have become the only coach in major college football history to do that. But, luckily, Jennings bailed him out of that dubious distinction.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:14 am to Madking
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Well we are not a teir 1 program
Well yeah, and hiring Orgeron means we have no interest in being one for the foreseeable future.
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you can thank ya boy Miles for that.
Why do the O faithful push this agenda? Miles should have been fired 3-4 years ago.
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As far as your Miles vs O comparison it's such a mess I'm not even gonna begin to start breaking down all of the BS you've used to shine a favorable light on Miles anyone with half a brain can see what you're doing there.
Except out of 11 seasons, miles only had 3 seasons with more than 3 losses. He was consistently above average, and was probably going to stay that way just based on talent and schedule alone. Again, he was a bad coach by the end, but there is only small evidence that last season might have fallen on the bad side of that average. quote:
With the hire you can't look at this as simple as we won this many games in the sec for so many years therefore we deserve or demand an x level coach, that's not how a coaching hire works. We have King Alexander and Joe Alleva that's why Ogeron was hired. One is a complete scumbag the other is a bush league AD doing battle with big boys he has no business doing battle with. We were lucky O was on staff or there's no telling what kind of garbage wedve ended up with. We had the inside track on Herman and Fisher, not only did Alleva screw that up but he nearly lost Arranda in the process. And the only reason Canada's here is because of Arranda so be happy we have what we do it could've been much much worse.
Of course that's not how a hire works. You go and hire the best candidate that gives you the best opportunity to improve the program now and for as long as possible.
O is not that hire, and no amount of garbage "feelings" make him so. But yes, the whole process was a disaster from top to bottom. Hence everyone's problem with O. He was never the top pick. He wouldn't make ANY school's Top 10 candidates. There were at least 6-7 coaches we should have thrown money at instead.
The process being bad doesn't make O a good hire.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:16 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:50 am to Freauxzen
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The process being bad doesn't make O a good hire.
No one here...that I've seen....is saying this. He was the only hire at the time. But we're stuck with the guy for the foreseeable future. And despite his dismal record, I'm willing to see if he can do any better than Les's last 3/4 years.
Les was what...14-10 in the SEC in the last three years. I think O can do better than that. Hell, if he manages to beat Bama even once in the next few years, people will be jumping on his bandwagon.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:54 am to Madking
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Exactly if that were true then why was Miles 2-2 without even facing a ranked opponent?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Wisky finished the year as Cotton bowl champs and #9
Auburn finished #22
LOL at you trying to use the preseason/time of play rankings
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:56 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:55 am to Nuts4LSU
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Highly questionable
Are you kidding me? With the rushing attack we had last year and the terrible rush defense of teams O beat, it's highly likely we not only beat the teams we beat if Les stayed, we beat those teams if any position coach takes over.
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Ole Miss
Knocking Old Miss only shows how little you really understand SEC football. Old Miss has beat Alabama two of the last three years. You want to tell us what over SEC team can say the same? But the Old Miss team last year was a far cry from the OLD miss teams that beat Alabama in back to back years.
We still have great recruiting, still play schedules some claim to be weak, got rid of Les, and have a great OC based on the rant. No reason we don't go 11-2 or 12-1 since our coaching is going to be vastly improved so says the rant. I cant wait to be in the playoffs at year end.
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:25 am to RedTigerRulz
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No one here...that I've seen....is saying this.
I mean....
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but if O and Canada can sign and train that elusive top notch QB LSU is going to be a contender again. I have not been this excited about LSU football since 2011; the decline is reversing fellow fans!
That's what this means and it's the OP.
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But we're stuck with the guy for the foreseeable future.
Using the word stuck directly indicates that this is a problem. So why the arguing?
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And despite his dismal record, I'm willing to see if he can do any better than Les's last 3/4 years.
Honestly, that's O's ceiling. He isn't a 12-1/31-1 type coach. And he will be harder to get rid of than Les.
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I think O can do better than that. Hell, if he manages to beat Bama even once in the next few years, people will be jumping on his bandwagon.
Maybe.
He has to beat Bama every 2 years at worst and be a consistent contender for the playoffs for this to be a success. Otherwise, we should have looked at nearly any other coach, or even *gasp* kept Les. If we want 9-3 seasons, Les was pretty good at giving them to us. Firing Les should have meant we wanted to be elite again. Hiring O means we don't want to be elite.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:27 am to LSU Groupee
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since our coaching is going to be vastly improved so says the rant.
Over what Miles did on the field...ABSOLUTELY no question.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:54 am to Howyouluhdat
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Nah I said beat the shite out of ALL the opponents in games we won
What a great stat. O kept the foot on the pedal against teams that would've had no chance to stop us, no matter who the coach was. Several of these games the entire 3rd and 4th qtr was Guice/Fournette up the middle for 20 yards a pop.
Who gives a shite. He lost to the two teams we needed to beat, and should've beat.
We come out against mizzou with misdirection and a great game design, then he shuts her down for Bama. You run the mizzou game plan against bama and we win that game, or at least score a TD.
And even though Les started 2-2, you think he was going to finish worse than 8-4? The rest of his tenure proves otherwise. I'm not a Les Miles fanboi either.
Coach O is CLM part II with a little more rah rah.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:56 am to lsupride87
Exactly. Auburn and Wisky were the 2nd and 3rd best team we played all year.
And both were Away games. O lost to Bama and UF at HOME.
And both were Away games. O lost to Bama and UF at HOME.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 10:58 am to SportTiger1
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Exactly. Auburn and Wisky were the 2nd and 3rd best team we played all year.
And both were Away games. O lost to Bama and UF at HOME.
Bruh, facts have no place here. Get that stuff out of this discussion.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 11:52 am to Freauxzen
Relax - O is going to do a great job, the players are excited, even Jamal Adams said there's a part of him that would love to come back and play for O, and on Mike and Mike he said not to worry O is going to turn it around. Next year we are going to need a bigger wagon for all the band wagon jumpers to climb on board.
Think ABOUT IT !!!! Miles
1) Is the defense going to get worst-NO
2) Special Teams get worst -NO it was so bad we couldn't even kick off, we had to squib kick or kick the ball out of bounds. GOING TO BE BETTER
3) Is the talent going to get worst-NO SAME OR BETTER
4) Is our Offense going to get worst- impossible, hell for the first time in years we will even have a game plan, yes even 1 that goes against the other teams weakness. SORRY for those that believe the only way to win is running up the middle with 7-9 in the box. GOING TO BE MORE CREATIVE = BETTER
5) So sit back and enjoy the ride cause we have a chance now
5) Unused talent like TE's and RBs out of the back field - they now will be used.
The Days are gone using all 3 timeouts in the 1st quarter cause we can't line up or get the Plays in!!!
GET POSITIVE AND ENJOY THE RIDE
Think ABOUT IT !!!! Miles
1) Is the defense going to get worst-NO
2) Special Teams get worst -NO it was so bad we couldn't even kick off, we had to squib kick or kick the ball out of bounds. GOING TO BE BETTER
3) Is the talent going to get worst-NO SAME OR BETTER
4) Is our Offense going to get worst- impossible, hell for the first time in years we will even have a game plan, yes even 1 that goes against the other teams weakness. SORRY for those that believe the only way to win is running up the middle with 7-9 in the box. GOING TO BE MORE CREATIVE = BETTER
5) So sit back and enjoy the ride cause we have a chance now
5) Unused talent like TE's and RBs out of the back field - they now will be used.
The Days are gone using all 3 timeouts in the 1st quarter cause we can't line up or get the Plays in!!!
GET POSITIVE AND ENJOY THE RIDE
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