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re: Nola
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:37 pm to LittleJerry
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:37 pm to LittleJerry
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This is right on. It's simple; anyone who thinks Nola should not be starting at short is a f*&king retard and knows jack shite about baseball. Plain and simple.
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Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:40 pm to LittleJerry
Really? Because I thought Schimpf was a plus defender at second and DJ has made more errors at second than at short. He hasn't fielded the position as well as he had at short. Nola's fielding percentage, a fairly unreliable stat admittedly, is worse than DJ's or Schimpf's. The team has turned 28 double plays on the season, Nola has been involved in 9 of them. That's close to a third and he's had about a third of the playing time.
I don't know. I think there might be a defensive upgrade, but it hasn't shown up in the box score. But even assuming it's there and it's real, it is probably fairly small and I wonder -- is it worth the offensive cost?
I'm happy to discuss this civilly. But if you can't keep from name calling, it merely demonstrates to me you don't have much of a case.
I don't know. I think there might be a defensive upgrade, but it hasn't shown up in the box score. But even assuming it's there and it's real, it is probably fairly small and I wonder -- is it worth the offensive cost?
I'm happy to discuss this civilly. But if you can't keep from name calling, it merely demonstrates to me you don't have much of a case.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:42 pm to tiger golfer1
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yea 0-4 sounds like a great night huh?
The real answer to this debate is:
Do you believe that he saves us more runs on defense than he loses for us on offense?
It is obviously harder to judge how many runs he saves us on defense, so the debate will continue until he begins to hit.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:45 pm to BigLSUNut
I think Nola should start.
What is wrong with Nola at the plate in someone's opinion? Mechanics? I noticed he does force the pitcher to throw alot of pitches when he is faced. He falls behind alot, but he is good at working the count. It seems that we have freshman that can contribute offensively, but he has not progressed any at the plate.
What is wrong with Nola at the plate in someone's opinion? Mechanics? I noticed he does force the pitcher to throw alot of pitches when he is faced. He falls behind alot, but he is good at working the count. It seems that we have freshman that can contribute offensively, but he has not progressed any at the plate.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:45 pm to BigLSUNut
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Do you believe that he saves us more runs on defense than he loses for us on offense?
Agree completely. That really is the heart of the debate.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:46 pm to Baloo
quote:I think SS is a position you have to sacrifice for solid defense. DJ was good as SS but doesn't have the arm to get the balls in the hole and make the throw. The real question is...who do you play in the OF that is going to be that much of an upgrade offensively?
I don't know. I think there might be a defensive upgrade, but it hasn't shown up in the box score. But even assuming it's there and it's real, it is probably fairly small and I wonder -- is it worth the offensive cost?
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:48 pm to BigLSUNut
quote:no he doesnt, he didnt make any plays tonight that DJ couldnt make. DJ wouldve turned both of those double plays
Do you believe that he saves us more runs on defense than he loses for us on offense?
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:49 pm to Barry Badrinath
I do like Nola's approach. It's why I think he'll eventually be a productive hitter. He has walked 11 times and been hit by 3 pitches in 90 plate appearances. He's not pressing and he works counts. He just can't really do anything with the bat right now. But he has almost as many free passes (BB + HBP) as hits (14 passes to 16 hits).
I think he's up there trying to not make an out. and while that is the basic goal of the hitter, it's probably the wrong attitude when you're up there.
ETA: I just realized something. LSU is not calculating OBP correctly on their stat page. They aren't adding back in sacrifices in the plate appearances, which give people a higher OBP than they actually do. Nola has 6 sacs on the season. Those are not AB for calculating BA, but they are PA's for calculating OBP. You need to add those back in. That drops Nola's OBP from 353 as listed on the page to 300 (his correct OBP).
I think he's up there trying to not make an out. and while that is the basic goal of the hitter, it's probably the wrong attitude when you're up there.
ETA: I just realized something. LSU is not calculating OBP correctly on their stat page. They aren't adding back in sacrifices in the plate appearances, which give people a higher OBP than they actually do. Nola has 6 sacs on the season. Those are not AB for calculating BA, but they are PA's for calculating OBP. You need to add those back in. That drops Nola's OBP from 353 as listed on the page to 300 (his correct OBP).
This post was edited on 5/22/09 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:57 pm to Baloo
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I thought Schimpf was a plus defender at second
I disagree with this. Shimpf was solid but definitely not spectacular.
Lemahieu is clearly better IMO.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 10:59 pm to Baloo
quote:
ETA: I just realized something. LSU is not calculating OBP correctly on their stat page. They aren't adding back in sacrifices in the plate appearances, which give people a higher OBP than they actually do. Nola has 6 sacs on the season. Those are not AB for calculating BA, but they are PA's for calculating OBP. You need to add those back in. That drops Nola's OBP from 353 as listed on the page to 300 (his correct OBP).
I don't think sac bunts are considered a plate appearance when calculating OBP. But, sac flies are.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:03 pm to moneyg
I stand corrected. Where is the sacrifice then? He went to the plate and got out. He didn't get on base. Sac flies are included since 1954.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:06 pm to Baloo
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Where is the sacrifice then?
What do you mean?
Sacrifice bunts are excluded from the calculation altogether because it skews what OBP tries to calculate.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:10 pm to moneyg
Well, if a guy is sacrificing himself, his numbers should suffer. Get it? That's part of the sacrifice.
It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:14 pm to longtymefirsttyme
to the Nola haters and the "football minded" "fans" who think you must win every game in baseball. Andy Sheets, Johnny Telechea, Tim Lanier, Josh Dalton, Ray Wright did not start and become great players because of their bats. They were each defensive gurus who were essential pieces to National Championship lineups.
Nola is very similar to Sheets in that his defense is his offense.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:15 pm to PiscesTiger
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Josh Dalton
This is a stretch Pisces.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:17 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Kim, Dalton was the weakest bat on the '98 team. He wasn't Andy Sheets, but he was a solid glove.
Baloo, I'm not hating on you...you at least can make good points in your arguments and you know sports well. I just will disagree with you here. Nola's arrival has been positive, IMO.
Baloo, I'm not hating on you...you at least can make good points in your arguments and you know sports well. I just will disagree with you here. Nola's arrival has been positive, IMO.
This post was edited on 5/22/09 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:19 pm to PiscesTiger
and Dalton was not on a NC team, but he started on two pretty good LSU teams.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:19 pm to PiscesTiger
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but he was a solid glove.
I can't agree with this Pisces.
ETA: 21 errors
This post was edited on 5/22/09 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:20 pm to Baloo
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It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
WTF are you talking about? Are your really arguing that OBP is calculated incorrectly? Should OBP include errors? Fielders' choices? And you think it would give a "truer" picture? Your position on this is ridiculous.
And, fyi, players aren't rewarded for sac bunts. They are taken out of the calculation altogether.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:22 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Pull up some stats Kim. My memory, while being very good at times, can sometimes fail me. To my recollection, he was a good defensive ss. That's why Bertman recruited him to LSU from NE anyway. I think the other names I mentioned cannot be debated.
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