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NFL GM and scout opine on Fournette's decision to abstain from bowl game...
Posted on 12/28/16 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 12/28/16 at 7:59 pm
Their views appear to be fairly rational, acknowledging that Fournette has been contending with a significant injury and has already demonstrated sufficient diligence and toughness. From the Chicago Tribune:
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I asked a general manager and a national scout for different teams how they view this trend? Fournette has played through an ankle injury for much of the season and McCaffrey has played with a hip injury. Walker was sidelined by a concussion and Lockwood’s case is more curious. There are character concerns about him.
“I see it both ways,” the GM said. “And that’s a very difficult decision to make for a high-round pick like Leonard Fournette, who has been playing hurt all year. The kid has fought through and played on a high ankle sprain the entire year and fought and he got to the point where he said, ‘You know what, I am going to protect myself.’ And I think (Christian McCaffrey) has been playing with a hip pointer so both of those kids fought their butts off to play. Look, if a kid is healthy and he’s not going to be a high-round pick, he needs to play. That kid from Baylor who is not playing in the game, that’s ridiculous. That’s because he’s a moron.
“It’s the ultimate team sport and it just makes you wonder when you get to our level and it gets to crunch time late in the season in December where everyone is hurt and they are in the last year of their contract, do they make a business decision? Or do they make a decision for the team? There are definitely going to be some questions about that. Do I think Fournette and McCaffrey would do that? No, I think they’re both good kids. And they both have proven they will play through injuries and they’ve done it all year.”
It’s worth wondering if this eventually reaches the next level where a player, after two years in college, opts to sit out his entire third season to ensure he is healthy before becoming eligible for the draft three years removed from high school.
“It could,” the GM said. “I mean, I wouldn’t advise it because that really shows a sign of selfishness and they need to continue to hone their skills. To me, the only way you get better at anything is by practicing and playing. A kid isn’t going to get better sitting out a season and to me that is a really rare, rare case. Really the only position that might happen is running back. Rushers need to practice. Even (Jadaveon) Clowney when he was coming out, as freaky as he was, he still had a lot of rawness in his game. Look, those are the exceptions. The kids that get hurt are the exceptions. People bring up Jaylon Smith and before that Willis McGahee (bad knee injury in 2002 Fiesta Bowl), but how many kids played in bowl games and not gotten hurt and been with their teammates and been with their teams? We’re talking about a small, small percentage. I see it both ways. If kids like Fournette and McCaffrey who are good workers and good kids and have played through injuries, I am not going to knock them, no.”
The national scout doesn’t believe it’s going to create a lot of discussions when it comes to Fournette and McCaffrey.
“In this selfish world, I think the team is kind of a lost art,” he said. “It doesn’t affect them when they’re evaluated just that they’re always going to be a little selfish, that’s all. How are they a real team guy? Fournette has had a legitimate injury and so has McCaffrey so it’s not going to affect them too much.”
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This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 12/28/16 at 8:13 pm to DmitriKaramazov
Any other point of view is pure moronic
Posted on 12/28/16 at 8:21 pm to DmitriKaramazov
Post this on the SECrant and tell those inbred Bama fans to frick off
Posted on 12/28/16 at 8:33 pm to DmitriKaramazov
If this becomes the norm it will cause problems for the bowls. Nobody wants to pay big money to go watch the second string QB or RB. I also have a problem with players abandoning their teammates, many of whom busted their arse helping the 'star' reach the level of success where they can make millions and who themselves may never make a nickel in the pros! Their only reward may be going out a winner but won't have the help of 'mr big star'.
This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 12/28/16 at 9:07 pm to crazycajun
Bowls are done already. The playoff is all that matters in our world.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 9:15 pm to DmitriKaramazov
It's the liberal media who wants to spin it as they are 100% healthy scratches to tear these kids down.
NFL Scouts and GMs have too much money on the line to play their game. McCaffery and Fournette both have injuries, the scouts understand.
The 100% healthy scratches are the future selfish head cases you have to watch out for.
NFL Scouts and GMs have too much money on the line to play their game. McCaffery and Fournette both have injuries, the scouts understand.
The 100% healthy scratches are the future selfish head cases you have to watch out for.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 9:26 pm to DmitriKaramazov
We needed a new thread about this.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 10:32 pm to DmitriKaramazov
McCaffrey is not rehabbing anything. He's fine, but he's trying to pretend his case is like Fournette's.
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:17 pm to BIWO
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It's the liberal media
Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:22 pm to Chad504boy
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Any other point of view is pure moronic
The millennial has spoken, so be it. Key words in that dissertation, "in this selfish world".
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:30 am to DmitriKaramazov
These opinions are the only ones that matter.
ESPN is pushing an agenda. LSU does not fit their narrative. EVER.
LF7 will be viewed just fine in the eyes of the NFL. He will be drafted high and make millions.
I'm happy for him.
ESPN is pushing an agenda. LSU does not fit their narrative. EVER.
LF7 will be viewed just fine in the eyes of the NFL. He will be drafted high and make millions.
I'm happy for him.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:38 am to Tigertown in ATL
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The playoff is all that matters in our world.
True, which is why the field should be expanded to 16 and keep the toilet bowls for the western kentuckys of the world
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:18 am to DmitriKaramazov
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Look, if a kid is healthy and he’s not going to be a high-round pick, he needs to play.
So...a healthy kid is given a pass to skip out on his team if he's projected to go in the top 3 rounds of the draft?
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:24 am to DmitriKaramazov
sitting out a minor bowl game due to injury is ok, so I'm completely fine with what LF did.
But I'm not fine with his signing with an agent now and not even traveling with the team to the game. He could've easily waited 2 weeks to sign -- after the bowl game. That leaves a bitter taste.
But I'm not fine with his signing with an agent now and not even traveling with the team to the game. He could've easily waited 2 weeks to sign -- after the bowl game. That leaves a bitter taste.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:18 am to atltiger6487
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But I'm not fine with his signing with an agent now and not even traveling with the team to the game. He could've easily waited 2 weeks to sign -- after the bowl game.
I agree 100%. I think he made the right move by not playing on the bum ankle but being a part of the bowl festivities with his teammates would have been the right move.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:28 am to atltiger6487
I have to agree with you on that one. I'm happy for him and wish him the best in the NFL. However, I still feel like he should have at least traveled with the team. JMO. But who am I? Just a loyal Tiger fan.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:38 am to DmitriKaramazov
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“It’s the ultimate team sport and it just makes you wonder when you get to our level and it gets to crunch time late in the season in December where everyone is hurt and they are in the last year of their contract, do they make a business decision? Or do they make a decision for the team? There are definitely going to be some questions about that.
^^^^^This X 1000. This is a horrible trend and the next step will be some NFL guy in a free agent year that is out of the playoffs sitting out the last few games to protect his next contract. Injury is injury and can't be helped. Being hurt is not the same thing. Just about every guy is hurt all season long in one way or another.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:40 am to crazycajun
quote:Good, I hope it creates a huge problem that brings about change to an antiquated system that has no place in 2016.
If this becomes the norm it will cause problems for the bowls. Nobody wants to pay big money to go watch the second string QB or RB.
quote:It's a safe assumption to say LF's teammates likely don't have a problem with his decision, so why would you have a problem with it on their behalf?
I also have a problem with players abandoning their teammates, many of whom busted their arse helping the 'star' reach the level of success where they can make millions and who themselves may never make a nickel in the pros!
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:42 am to atltiger6487
quote:In my 12 or however many years posting here, this line that many have been spouting may very well be the strangest thing I've seen on TD.
sitting out a minor bowl game due to injury is ok, so I'm completely fine with what LF did.
But I'm not fine with his signing with an agent now and not even traveling with the team to the game. He could've easily waited 2 weeks to sign -- after the bowl game. That leaves a bitter taste.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:43 am to Canrig1
quote:And here's the thing...I'm certainly not saying this as an attack to you or your loyalty, but let's all get 1 thing straight...Leonard Fournette has been more loyal to LSU than every last one of us combined on this board who has never played for the LSU football team.
But who am I? Just a loyal Tiger fan.
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