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My thoughts about the Coach O hire... (long)

Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:24 pm
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:24 pm
Let me start by saying that I was initially upset by the Coach O hire. I wanted a fresh start with a new coach. Coach O was very far down my list. But after stepping back and looking at the entirety of Coach O's season, I look forward to what he will do at LSU.

Ask yourself: IF LSU had won vs Florida, would you be nearly as upset about hiring Coach O?

Coach O would have finished 6-1, with the one loss coming vs Alabama, a team that basically looks unstoppable and is coached by the best coach of all time. We would likely be a top 10 team, with a spot in the Sugar Bowl. Something none of us ever expected after the 2-2 start.

Now ask yourself: Did Coach O lose us the game vs Florida?

Was he the one who gave up a 98 yard touchdown?
Was he the one who fumbled inside the five yard line?
Was he the one who botched the hold on a field goal?
Was he the one who fumbled on a kickoff inside our 30?
Was he the one who went the wrong way on the last play?


Nope.

There was ONE single call in that game that was questionable, and that was the 3rd down FB dive (which was likely called by Ensminger btw). And quite honestly, a fullback dive isn't a bad call on the 1 yard line. There are hundred's of coaches who would make the same call. As far as coaching goes, that game was damn near perfect. The major mistakes were made by the players, even they admitted that.

Moving on...

Bama averages winning games 40-11... We lost 10-0, and played them tougher than any team in America. With a bit more creativity in the offensive play calling, we likely win that game. A new offensive coordinator will bring that creativity.

For the people who keep saying, "You get what you pay for", let's take a look at some of the highest paid coaches in America:

6.) Charlie Strong - Texas ($5,200,000)
7.) Kevin Sumlin - Texas A&M ($5,000,000)
8.) Gus Malzahn - Auburn ($4,725,000)
9.) Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss ($4,700,000)
13.) Les Miles - LSU ($4,300,000)
17.) Bret Bielema - Arkansas ($4,145,000)
18.) Butch Jones - Tennessee ($4,100,000)


How about we look at some guys who aren't even in the top 20 highest paid coaches in America?

21.) Bobby Petrino - Louisville ($3,900,000)
22.) Chris Peterson - Washington ($3,600,000)
32.) Justin Fuente - VaTech ($3,200,000)
35.) Tom Herman - Houston ($3,000,000)
37.) Dana Holgerson - West Virginia ($2,980,000)
38.) Mike Leach - WSU ($2,950,000)
43.) Paul Chryst - Wisconsin ($2,700,000)
58.) Mike MacIntyre - Colorado ($2,011,000)
78.) PJ Fleck - WMU ($816,000)


While it might not be the hire you wanted, it is by no means the worst hire in the world. With Coach O we know we will get a team that plays with passion, we know we will continue to bring in top recruiting classes, and we know we will get a guy who legitimately loves this program and wants to see it flourish.

We're good.

This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 9:20 pm
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:26 pm to
So coach O can't be blamed for the Florida loss? It was all the players' fault right?

Okay well don't give him any credit for any of the victories, either. The players did it.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29206 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:26 pm to
Whether one agrees or disagrees, that's a good post.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10322 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

IF LSU had won vs Florida, would you be nearly as upset about hiring Coach O?


Nope. I'm with you that the Florida loss was on the players. We win that game and go to the Sugar Bowl and the Orgeron hire is much less scrutinized.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10322 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

So coach O can't be blamed for the Florida loss? It was all the players' fault right?

Okay well don't give him any credit for any of the victories, either. The players did it.


It doesn't work that way pal. Orgeron put the players in a position to win every game. I'll give Bama the credit for their win because they are just a better team and they played better that night. Florida was not the better team on 11/19. Go look a the stats.
Posted by TigerD84
Huntsville Al
Member since Mar 2009
291 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:33 pm to
Coach O benched Guice and played an injured Fournette in the Fla game.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
2720 Arse Whipping Avenue
Member since Dec 2013
35930 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

So coach O can't be blamed for the Florida loss? It was all the players' fault right?

Okay well don't give him any credit for any of the victories, either. The players did it.



Do me a favor, make me a list of all the things Coach O did wrong in the Florida game.

I'll wait.
Posted by VesperiaLSU
Baton Rouge Tigerland
Member since Sep 2010
1202 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:35 pm to
This is the most rational post I have read since O got hired and I admire you, sir. It's okay to let your emotion and expectation carry you away for the first 48 hours of the hire, but eventually you need to let your logic take over and look at this hire objectively. It's by no means a home run hire, but it's definitely not as bad as some fans described it to be. For the price we paid, O is a cost-effective solution that potentially can cash in big.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29206 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

So coach O can't be blamed for the Florida loss? It was all the players' fault right?

Okay well don't give him any credit for any of the victories, either. The players did it.




That's not what he is saying at all.

Sometimes a team wins because the coach pulls the right triggers and the players execute. LSU v. TAM

Sometimes a team wins because players make plays even when the coach is bumbling.

Sometimes a team loses because despite the best execution by the players, the coach blew it.

Sometimes a team loses because even though the coach pulls the right triggers, the players fail to execute.

Sometimes a team loses because the other team is just better.

The teams was put in a position to win v. Florida and the players didn't get it done.
Posted by VesperiaLSU
Baton Rouge Tigerland
Member since Sep 2010
1202 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:37 pm to
After Guice fumble the ball at 5 yard line. Guice deserved to be benched whether for LF or Williams.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58758 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

's definitely not as bad as some fans described it to be.


We hired a DL coach that no other school wanted and whose only HC experience was a failure.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14447 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

Did Coach O lose us the game vs Florida?


quote:

Nope.



Sure, but if motivation is his specialty he would have had his team more focused. Idc what you say that team thought they were going to walk into that stadium and win without Florida even putting up a fight.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
2720 Arse Whipping Avenue
Member since Dec 2013
35930 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Coach O benched Guice and played an injured Fournette in the Fla game.

Wrong.

Guice had 19 carries in that game, Leonard had 12 carries.

Guice had two less carries vs Florida than he did vs Arkansas, where he ran for 252 yards.

He had more carries vs Florida than he did in 8 of the other 10 games.

And when the best player in America comes to you and says "I can play", you play him.
Posted by VesperiaLSU
Baton Rouge Tigerland
Member since Sep 2010
1202 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:41 pm to
Agreed. The UF losss is mostly on the players. The offensive play calling can definitely use more creation and aggressiveness, but that's not why we lost the game.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

While it might not be the hire you wanted, it is by no means the worst hire in the world


Think about this statement and try to juxtapose that with this idea that we're supposed to be a top 5 program.

"It is by no means the worst hire in the world."

Miles was fired because there was supposed to be this commitment to excellence, and now the best thing we can say about this coach is he's not the worst hire in the world?
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted by CRAZY 4 LSU
Member since Apr 2006
16903 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:43 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:43 pm to
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Y'all are the same type that said that the players made the Mississippi State game close under Miles.

It always goes up to the top. Win or loss.
Posted by VesperiaLSU
Baton Rouge Tigerland
Member since Sep 2010
1202 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:43 pm to
I see you still refuse to think logically and keep hung on to your emotion.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted by tigburls
Member since Feb 2010
543 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:46 pm to
4th and goal. Last play of the game. After a timeout the RB doesn't know which way the play is going? Miles would have been drawn and quartered for this. It is inexcusable and very much a reflection on the coach.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118782 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:47 pm to
You make a lot of valid points.
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