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Most fans are not upset because LSU lost
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:35 pm
They are upset by how the loss came to be. Poorly coached team looked awful and making week 1 mistakes in all three phases. Awful coaching decisions then get added and a QB with talent, but whose slow decision making is killing the team flow on offense.
Add in Kelly then turning around post-game and trying to pump JDs performance while systematically blaming everyone else did not help matters.
This is a talented team, although definitely lacking in depth and experience at some positions. Looking prepared is the key. Get outplayed by a better team, that is understandable. But to continue to look downright awful against a bad team in Auburn and a bad defensive team in Tennessee shows major coaching issues.
Add in Kelly then turning around post-game and trying to pump JDs performance while systematically blaming everyone else did not help matters.
This is a talented team, although definitely lacking in depth and experience at some positions. Looking prepared is the key. Get outplayed by a better team, that is understandable. But to continue to look downright awful against a bad team in Auburn and a bad defensive team in Tennessee shows major coaching issues.
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:43 pm to Geauxgurt
My Feelings Exactly!
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:46 pm to Geauxgurt
RA’d for a sticky.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:50 pm to Geauxgurt
I'm starting to dislike Kelly. Excuses, excuses, throwing players under the bus the saying "we have to do a better job of coaching". He's going to make the number 1 mistake of coaches and that's hanging onto coordinators too long. This is the worst offense in the SEC.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:51 pm to Geauxgurt
Upvoted.
We all support our team, that isn't in question.
We all support our team, that isn't in question.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:51 pm to Geauxgurt
Don’t disagree but a Simple question for you.
How many players for on LSU offense would start for TN?
LSU does not have a team right now. They have a collection of players.
How many players for on LSU offense would start for TN?
LSU does not have a team right now. They have a collection of players.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:52 pm to Geauxgurt
Honest question, did you feel that same way when Nick had bad losses in 2000?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:53 pm to how333
How is it throwing kids under the bus to say the coaches need to do better?
If I’m a teacher and my students fail a test and I say I need to teach them better, how is that making excuses?
If I’m a teacher and my students fail a test and I say I need to teach them better, how is that making excuses?
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:56 pm to JiminyCricket
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I’m a teacher and my students fail a test and I say I need to teach them better, how is that making excuses?
“We need to coach better”
At halftime - “we’re getting out coached”
Emotionally retarded LSU fans - “he’s throwing players under the bus”
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:57 pm to Purple Spoon
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How many players for on LSU offense would start for TN? LSU does not have a team right now. They have a collection of players.
A few, particularly the WRs, but the question is not how many would start at Tennessee for offense. Their defense is atrocious and LSU struggled worse than G5 teams did at home. That says something.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:59 pm to Geauxgurt
Well half of LSU’s o line are freshmen and your best lineman overall is a sophomore and two of them went out. Ever think maybe Kelly knows Howard is the guy for the job but doesn’t wanna ruin him behind a young banged up o line?
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:01 pm to Geauxgurt
It's really as simple as this...the guy has historic level of winning CFB games as a head coach. He said when he took the job that it was going to take time to turn this around. He was right. I don't have a problem with critiquing coaching flaws but it just get old to see the same thing every single week we lose. It's just so easy to believe the narrative that we are under-achieving because of coaching. Maybe it is but this is NOT the year to melt on coaching! For the best interest of the program we all love, fans need to take this as a new season every week. Every week from here on out(minus UAB) will be like a bowl game. We'll be playing a team that will likely be favored but also a team we can beat,with one likely exception.
I'm tired of crapping on O too. However, you can't truly assess this year's teams without being honest about what O left behind. It was truly a monumental disaster. If after year 2 Kelly doesn't have this thing turned in a much more positive direction, then we should all be concerned. I really believe that's just a fair take on the current state of affairs. BTW..I wanted Fickel out of all the names floating around so I wasn't crazy about the Kelly hire. I also know the guy knows how to coach winning football and doubt very much he is in over his head like some here suggest.
I'm tired of crapping on O too. However, you can't truly assess this year's teams without being honest about what O left behind. It was truly a monumental disaster. If after year 2 Kelly doesn't have this thing turned in a much more positive direction, then we should all be concerned. I really believe that's just a fair take on the current state of affairs. BTW..I wanted Fickel out of all the names floating around so I wasn't crazy about the Kelly hire. I also know the guy knows how to coach winning football and doubt very much he is in over his head like some here suggest.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:06 pm to Geauxgurt
Foremost, I never expected much from this team. I knew that the cupboard was left very bare. I knew that we simply have players playing and/or starting that would, typically, never see meaningful playing time on any LSU team.
However, what bothers me the most is the special teams and offense. I don't feel the need to expound on the special teams, we all know the issues. However, regarding the offense, it's like they are very stubborn and are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. No creativity, no "thinking outside the box." To me, it's like they are simply playing it close the vest. That works against your lower-tier teams (Florida State, Auburn, New Mexico). However, that'll get you blown out against your tougher competition. Basically, I just want to see some creativity or ingenuity on offense. Try to make the best with what you have. If it doesn't work, fine - at least you tried. Again, rational LSU fans weren't expecting much, but at least make an effort.
However, what bothers me the most is the special teams and offense. I don't feel the need to expound on the special teams, we all know the issues. However, regarding the offense, it's like they are very stubborn and are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. No creativity, no "thinking outside the box." To me, it's like they are simply playing it close the vest. That works against your lower-tier teams (Florida State, Auburn, New Mexico). However, that'll get you blown out against your tougher competition. Basically, I just want to see some creativity or ingenuity on offense. Try to make the best with what you have. If it doesn't work, fine - at least you tried. Again, rational LSU fans weren't expecting much, but at least make an effort.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:06 pm to Geauxgurt
Totally agree! BK is ignoring the elephant in the room. This causes the fan base to lose confidence in his ability to lead this program back to greatness. Right now I feel like we are repeating Les Miles stubbornness and Ed O’s incompetence.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:08 pm to JiminyCricket
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Honest question, did you feel that same way when Nick had bad losses in 2000?
Different time and different circumstances
1) LSU had been 12 years removed from a SEC championship much less the 42 years from its previous NC. LSU has 5 SEC championships and 3 NCs in the last 20 years including 1 of each just 3 years ago.
2) LSU had 3 winning seasons in the decade prior to Saban taking over. Lsu has had 1 losing season and it required a bowl game to do it in the last 22 years.
3) Saban did not have the benefit of the transfer rules we have today. He rolled with the talent he had and swapped back and forth between QBs to figure things out. Kelly is refusing to do so and is deferring to a transfer that is not doing well and is wasting the WR talent on the team, which is the strongest unit talent wise and one with most depth.
So, while I had disappointments in Saban’s first year (I was front row for the UAB game), two entirely different circumstances and that team improved over the course of the season. This one is not.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:09 pm to idlewatcher
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Upvoted.
We all support our team, that isn't in question.
That's debatable
On here AND in TS. We're pretty fairweather and bitch more than most.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:12 pm to Geauxgurt
Exactly. After half of the season, the offense still did not have an identity and could not sustain drives, and the defense was as good as initially thought when facing a capable offense.
We all get the W-L record is not that important for this year. However, the team's performance in the game does not give me a reason to be optimistic for next season.
We all get the W-L record is not that important for this year. However, the team's performance in the game does not give me a reason to be optimistic for next season.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:12 pm to MildManneredMadness
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BK is ignoring the elephant in the room. This causes the fan base to lose confidence in his ability to lead this program back to greatness. Right now I feel like we are repeating Les Miles stubbornness and Ed O’s incompetence.
Right here is a classic example of melt purely based on emotion and not on the facts. You have a right to your opinion but let's just call it what it is...an overreaction to a really bad game. It may not get any better than this for the rest of the year but let's not compare Kelly to the other two guys you mentioned. His history of winning everywhere he's been puts him in a class they only dreamed of. I think we should at least give him a little time to fix this before we start demanding he listen to the fans about the state of the program!
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:16 pm to JiminyCricket
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Well half of LSU’s o line are freshmen and your best lineman overall is a sophomore and two of them went out. Ever think maybe Kelly knows Howard is the guy for the job but doesn’t wanna ruin him behind a young banged up o line?
Thank You!
Everyone is pointing to Tenn… well, what did JH do? Tenn went 7-6 in his first year, worked on the culture while bringing in his guys recruiting/portal. 2nd year making huge steps in right direction.
I fully expect kelly to have LSU taking those same steps next year and really make a run in year 3. He’s not going to throw a freshmen (who he knows has the tools and will be the guy) to the wolves behind a young banged up OL with zero running game.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:18 pm to GarTiger
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Right here is a classic example of melt purely based on emotion and not on the facts. You have a right to your opinion but let's just call it what it is...an overreaction to a really bad game. It may not get any better than this for the rest of the year but let's not compare Kelly to the other two guys you mentioned.
I agree many are using emotion from this game but the criticism of JD at QB has been there all year. He literally has maybe 4-5 quarters of good QB play in the season and that includes games against Southern and New Mexico.
What is the point of playing a QB that won’t be here next year despite his struggles and basically kicking Nuss out the door? I wouldn’t blame Nuss for leaving at this point. That leaves LSU in a bad situation next year from an experience standpoint. You likely have maybe 1-2 games at most of starting experience between the players If he comes back at this point.
Are you going to bench Daniels next year if he stays? I doubt kid wants to sit the Bench as a super senior if he did. So, that is one thing that people are frustrated with.
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