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re: Miles' handling of J. Jefferson and playing time
Posted on 10/2/11 at 5:10 pm to Uncommon Cents
Posted on 10/2/11 at 5:10 pm to Uncommon Cents
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I was referencing the phantom 12 men on the field penalty. It seems to be the rantardo whine of the day.
it was a blown call by the refs. It is also an excusable penalty that can cost a team a big game
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 5:17 pm to jcb236
Miles has demonstrated that he is a win-at-all-cost coach that many fans on here say they loathe in other coaches.
I hate that trait in all coaches including Miles.
I hate that trait in all coaches including Miles.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 5:21 pm to jcb236
I've said it other places on here and I'll say it again. That the booing occurred is as much Miles' fault as anyone's and given the circumstance and Miles should damn well have expected it. It's my opinion that the booing was directed toward Miles and his handling of the situation. Putting JJ in (whom I like--along with Miles) at the end of a long drive with Lee at the helm was just asking for trouble. Was it a strategic move? I don't think so. Lee could just as easily picked up the yard behind the o-line as Jefferson did.
Had Miles inserted JJ in the game late in the 3rd/early 4th quarter to start a drive, I believe there would have been more fan support, less booing (which even though I believe was directed toward Miles must have bothered JJ unnecessarily) and would have accomplished all the goals of getting him some playing time and productive snaps. I don't have a problem with JJ playing yesterday, but it could have been handled much better imo.
Had Miles inserted JJ in the game late in the 3rd/early 4th quarter to start a drive, I believe there would have been more fan support, less booing (which even though I believe was directed toward Miles must have bothered JJ unnecessarily) and would have accomplished all the goals of getting him some playing time and productive snaps. I don't have a problem with JJ playing yesterday, but it could have been handled much better imo.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 5:35 pm to ianfson1
Ianfson I couldn't agree more, I think jj is a great back up to have and was hoping to see him come in the game once the game was decided, but for miles to let jj reap the rewards he didnt earn makes no sense. Lee ford or ware could have got the yard, miles love for jj is quite a mystery
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:07 pm to jcb236
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:10 pm to DP40
quote:Its tough being a head coach at a major university.
Miles has demonstrated that he is a win-at-all-cost coach that many fans on here say they loathe in other coaches.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:14 pm to ianfson1
quote:I think you are reading to much into it. I don't think that much thought went through it. We had not scored, it was fourth down and ware was out and he wanted to run a qb sneak because the backs could not break through. Can you say for certain that lee would have broke through? Like it or not, JJ is a stronger more physical runner.
Miles' handling of J. Jefferson and playing time I've said it other places on here and I'll say it again. That the booing occurred is as much Miles' fault as anyone's and given the circumstance and Miles should damn well have expected it. It's my opinion that the booing was directed toward Miles and his handling of the situation. Putting JJ in (whom I like--along with Miles) at the end of a long drive with Lee at the helm was just asking for trouble. Was it a strategic move? I don't think so. Lee could just as easily picked up the yard behind the o-line as Jefferson did. Had Miles inserted JJ in the game late in the 3rd/early 4th quarter to start a drive, I believe there would have been more fan support, less booing (which even though I believe was directed toward Miles must have bothered JJ unnecessarily) and would have accomplished all the goals of getting him some playing time and productive snaps. I don't have a problem with JJ playing yesterday, but it could have been handled much better imo.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:15 pm to Uncommon Cents
quote:How many timeouts did LSU use the whole game? I'm sure it was not anywhere near the number they are allowed. Heck, it was KENTUCKY! They knew what kind of competition they were up against.
Wasted? Did LSU need another TO in that half and didn't have one? Or do you think that TO's are only to be used in the last 2 minutes of each half?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:18 pm to jcb236
You are wrong on all counts. This business of switching QB's back and forth from one series to the next from one play to the next will only bog this offense down and make it predictable just like it did last year. 3rd and long, JJ goes out, in comes Lee. Oh it's a pass, who would have ever know. And an incomplete pass at that because the receiver was double covered and the defense, even Kentucky new what was coming. Imagine what better defenses will do. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine. We saw it all last year.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:23 pm to dreaux
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think you are reading to much into it. I don't think that much thought went through it. We had not scored, it was fourth down and ware was out and he wanted to run a qb sneak because the backs could not break through. Can you say for certain that lee would have broke through? Like it or not, JJ is a stronger more physical runner.
Sorry, ain't buying it.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:26 pm to ianfson1
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I've said it other places on here and I'll say it again. That the booing occurred is as much Miles' fault as anyone's and given the circumstance and Miles should damn well have expected it.
I'm not going to read this entire thread, but how is the fact that LSU has some pretty classless fans Miles' fault?
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It's my opinion that the booing was directed toward Miles and his handling of the situation.
I don't understand your point. With very few exceptions(you included I suppose) Miles has drawn high praise for his handling of this entire situation.
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Putting JJ in (whom I like--along with Miles) at the end of a long drive with Lee at the helm was just asking for trouble.
Why was putting the better runner in on a running play asking for trouble?
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Was it a strategic move?
I think the word is tactical.
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I don't think so. Lee could just as easily picked up the yard behind the o-line as Jefferson did.
Apparently the coaching staff that knows the strengths and weaknesses of each QB thinks differently. They do have more first hand knowlege than you do.
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Had Miles inserted JJ in the game late in the 3rd/early 4th quarter to start a drive, I believe there would have been more fan support
What makes you say that? In my experience those that booed were planning to do than no matter when Jefferson came into any game.
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I don't have a problem with JJ playing yesterday, but it could have been handled much better imo.
I disagree fully. It was handled properly. Miles used Jefferson where his talents dictated, close in and on a running play. Lee's skills aren't in the foot department.
From the comments I have read and heard, an overwhelming percentage are praising Miles for the way he managed this entire situation. Jefferson has some skills that give the LSU an added dimension. Why not use them?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:26 pm to dreaux
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I don't think that much thought went through it.
And btw, that is exactly my point!!
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:28 pm to Gray Tiger
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I disagree fully. It was handled properly. Miles used Jefferson where his talents dictated, close in and on a running play. Lee's skills aren't in the foot department. From the comments I have read and heard, an overwhelming percentage are praising Miles for the way he managed this entire situation. Jefferson has some skills that give the LSU an added dimension. Why not use them?
Never mind
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:51 pm to jcb236
I agree on the larger concept, but I think the execution was pretty sloppy. Sure, it was good to get JJ his first snaps after coming back pretty quickly, and to do it in a manner in which he had a high chance of success. My only criticism is that the specifics did not look to be well thought out.
If the idea was to bring him in on a red zone situation, then he should have come in on first down at the five yard line, not on fourth down after the offense had failed to score on three tries, and even then with so much indecision that too much time ran off the clock and timeout had to be called.
Again, I think the big picture was fine, but it should have been thought out in more detail and the execution would have been better. Would not have changed the score part of the outcome, but I think it would looked a whole lot better.
The booing was stupid, but gladly it did not linger for too long, and honestly, I would not be surprised if some were booing the sloppy handling I've referred to above. Even that was uncalled for, as nobody is perfect (except our football team!)
If the idea was to bring him in on a red zone situation, then he should have come in on first down at the five yard line, not on fourth down after the offense had failed to score on three tries, and even then with so much indecision that too much time ran off the clock and timeout had to be called.
Again, I think the big picture was fine, but it should have been thought out in more detail and the execution would have been better. Would not have changed the score part of the outcome, but I think it would looked a whole lot better.
The booing was stupid, but gladly it did not linger for too long, and honestly, I would not be surprised if some were booing the sloppy handling I've referred to above. Even that was uncalled for, as nobody is perfect (except our football team!)
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:52 pm to ianfson1
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And btw, that is exactly my point!!
Sorry but you are wrong. A lot of thought went into it. The staff decided that Jefferson, the better and stronger runner would have a greater chance of scoring. Remember a runing QB changes the keys of the defense and makes a mistake more possible. Advantage LSU.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:54 pm to Tigerloo
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as nobody is perfect (except our football fans!)
FIFY
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:54 pm to Gray Tiger
It was cute for les to give jordan a cheap TD
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:55 pm to DBG
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It was cute for les to give jordan a cheap TD
Running into the line on a short yardage situation is never cheap, especially on the goal line.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 6:58 pm to Gray Tiger
Sure it is
Against a very bad, completely outmatched and outclassed team in Kentucky
Sure it is
It was cute though for les to take the TD away from lee, or one of the WRs, or one of the RBs to announce to the world that JJ IS BACK BABY!!!! I honestly did chuckle
Against a very bad, completely outmatched and outclassed team in Kentucky
Sure it is
It was cute though for les to take the TD away from lee, or one of the WRs, or one of the RBs to announce to the world that JJ IS BACK BABY!!!! I honestly did chuckle
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:03 pm to Gray Tiger
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FIFY
no; no, you didn't.
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