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LSU multiple defense 3-4/5-2/4-3
Posted on 7/30/16 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 7/30/16 at 11:07 pm
The history of the 5-2 at LSU and other schools
Advocate (long read, but worth it)
Player roles
Make offense adjust to defense
Need to get a NT
Advocate (long read, but worth it)
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So, back then, the 50 did the trick. The Chinese Bandits, LSU’s notorious defense from the 1958 season, proved that. That gang led the Tigers to their first national championship by running a 50 front, said Cannon, a defensive back and running back on that squad.
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They called it the 50, Billy Cannon says. It’s a defensive formation featuring five defensive linemen. If it sounds old-school, that’s because it is. Imagine today if five defensive players stood, hand on the ground, along the line of scrimmage, mirroring their offensive-line counterparts. A nose tackle in front of the center. Two defensive tackles on the guards. Two defensive ends on the tackles.
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New defensive coordinator Dave Aranda has spent the past seven months installing the 3-4 at LSU, moving the Tigers away from the 4-3 base defense the program has used for the past 17 years. He’s implementing a system one coach called the “flavor of the month” in college football.
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“The 5-2 became a 3-4 when people started thinking of the two defensive ends as linebackers instead of linemen,” said Jenkins, who spent two stints with LSU in the '80s and again starting in 2000. “People started throwing the football more. Defenses moved to defending the pass. Guys like (LSU sophomore Arden Key) became a guy you rush sometimes and dropped into pass coverage sometimes as an outside (line)backer. In the old 5-2, he would be a defensive end.”
Player roles
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Aranda’s scheme isn’t the same as the 3-4 Saban employs in Tuscaloosa. Players and coaches said Aranda’s system is bent on deception and movement. One player, for example, isn’t limited to one position. Neal is playing three: defensive end in the base 3-4, outside linebacker on passing downs and a defensive tackle role in other formations.
Make offense adjust to defense
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But why? For one, it confuses the blockers, former LSU offensive lineman Kevin Mawae said. “It becomes a big issue in pass protection,” he said. “A defense makes the offense re-evaluate.” The offense breaks the huddle, and the defense responds to the offense’s formation. The 3-4, especially one filled with deception like Aranda’s scheme, is predicated on forcing the offense to respond to you. Aranda refers to this as “dictating the terms” of the matchup.
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Jenkins said deception is the biggest advantage to the 3-4. “I think the thing that I always liked about the 3-4 was the ability to disguise the fourth rusher. That’s one of the really, really big advantages to the 3-4,” he said. “You can always identify your four rushers in a 4-3, but it’s really difficult to identify the fourth rusher if you lined up in a (three-lineman) concept.”
Need to get a NT
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Ausberry is referring to the two defensive ends and the nose tackle, three players oh-so-important to the 3-4. Each player, in many 3-4 defenses, is expected to “command” double teams from offensive players, Mawae said. This must be done to keep guards and tackles from blocking outside linebackers on rushing plays. In many 3-4 schemes, linemen are responsible for two “gaps.” For example, the nose tackle takes care of the center-guard gaps on the right of him and on the left of him. The defensive end might be responsible for the tight end-tackle gap and the tackle-guard gap to his side. These are not easy jobs, but they’re imperative for linebackers — like Kendell Beckwith, Duke Riley and Devin White — to make plays on ball carriers.
This post was edited on 7/30/16 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 7/30/16 at 11:36 pm to 7Tiger7
Aranda D gonna bring the tyrann swag feel back to the defense
Posted on 7/30/16 at 11:42 pm to 7Tiger7
Really do think Aranda will end up being Miles best defensive coordinator.
I think our average score this year will be around 31-13
I think our average score this year will be around 31-13
Posted on 7/31/16 at 12:07 am to 7Tiger7
I'm incredibly excited about seeing this defense in action. But I can't help but feel anxious about our 3 down lineman commanding pressure on the oline. If they can't control the line, our linebackers better be all world this year.
Specifically, lacouture. We need valentine in a big way.
Specifically, lacouture. We need valentine in a big way.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 12:33 am to 7Tiger7
This defense will be fun to watch not only with the plays they make, but where certain players line up, and where they blitz from and so on...I cannot wait.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 12:41 am to UnAnon
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our average score this year will be around 31-13
I would shite my pants if we beat Bama by this score.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 12:48 am to SportTiger1
I understand your concern, as that is mines too. But with the defense being based on confusing the offense, we should be fine. For example, two linemen might end up confused and block the pass rusher leaving another open, etc...
Posted on 7/31/16 at 12:54 am to Joe Mantegna
Going off of the spring game, expect to see T White blitz from the slot wr when he's the nickel position a lot
Posted on 7/31/16 at 2:01 am to 7Tiger7
This thread gets me pumped the f*ck up!
Posted on 7/31/16 at 6:31 am to I-H8-BAMA
Aranda is in his first year at LSU and it might take some time to get his defense completely installed and clicking on all cylinders so I've tried to temper my enthusiasm a little. But, man, this defense has a chance to be really, really good.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 6:42 am to 7Tiger7
I'm just hoping it's not to complex for our guys & they don't fully understand their assignments until the middle of the year.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 7:07 am to doze4
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I'm just hoping it's not to complex for our guys & they don't fully understand their assignments until the middle of the year.
No worries. Our new promised offensive scheme will take up the slack until then. Oh yea, I hope so.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 8:20 am to doze4
quote:You can count on that happening.
I'm just hoping it's not to complex for our guys & they don't fully understand their assignments until the middle of the year.
Hopefully, Aranda will be smart enough to see this and make adjustments. If he tries to run stuff that's too complicated, he'll lose the athleticism because they'll all be "Thinking" too much and it will slow them down.
All you guys that think this new defense is going to be perfect right out of the box are in for a big surprise. Will take a little while to become efficient and fully functional..............
Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:56 am to 7Tiger7
Aranda oozes intelligence and innovation. If we could somehow get that on offense, we'd be looking at a Bama type run over the next few years.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:02 am to doze4
I believe Aranda has said that he is installing the defense slowly and is making sure there isnt too much on the plate for players.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:25 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Aranda oozes intelligence and innovation. If we could somehow get that on offense, we'd be looking at a Bama type run over the next few years.
Hate to be a Debbie downer, but...we just reupped Cameron, and Les still has his hands in the offense per Les himself.
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